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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Glad you find a nuclear Iran so hilarious. I'm sure the Israelis share your jolly good sense of humor.
    Actually I feel quite bad for the Israelis as they just can't seem to catch a break and have someone let them exist.

    Like I have stated before...the whole Iran issue is a "catch 22".

    If the U.S. sits back and does nothing and Iran's wish comes true and Israel is swept into the sea either by Iran itself or a group which just happens to aquire a nuclear bomb and Iran denies involvement...then there will be be a world outcry asking why we did nothing

    If the U.S. takes affirmative action and doesn't allow Iran to get a Nuclear weapon, then the world perceives us as nothing more than an arrogant bully.(when truely we probably saved Israels from a seemingly innevitable genicide)

    I personally would like to see affirmative action given their statements about how Israel should be wiped off the map.

    We need to take a serious stand on the issue to either be strong enough to help Israel or cold enough to accept the demise of Israel.

    Because I feel bad for Israel and their impossible situation I choose we should be strong and help them.
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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    I personally would like to see affirmative action given their statements about how Israel should be wiped off the map.
    Ah, but it wasn't "their" statements. It was Ahmadinejad's statements. He doesn't speak for Iran...he doesn't even speak for the government of Iran. At best, he's the third most powerful person in Iran...and probably a lot lower on the totem pole than that.

    Now a nuclear Iran would certainly not be pleasant to deal with, but the people who would actually have their finger on the button are skilled enough in realpolitik to not bring about their own immediate demise.
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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Though i often wonder if Iran getting a nuke would be as catastrophic as many are making it out to be. I was watching an interview with Kenneth Waltz a while back that was taken some time before the invasion of Iraq and he argued that even if Saddam had nukes and had ties with terroists the rules of Mutually Assured Destruction would still apply.

    This is because if any terroist in the world used a nuke against the west Saddam Hussein would automatically be blamed and Iraq would be nuked in return, whether Saddam Hussein was responsible or not.

    Now that Iran has inherited Iraqs status as international boggyman its argueable that the same rules apply. Both leaders were dispicable human beings but neither were stupid or irrational. Kim Jong Ill on the other hand.....

    I think this analogy depends on how deep his religion is.

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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Do you believe that we will be able to bomb Iran without any serious repercussions, and that we will be able to wipe out the thousands of underground nuclear sites without a single exception?
    Life is tough isn't it. If they don't disarm, then there is no option. So...

    In a word.

    Yes we will have to bomb.

    Repercussions. Surely.

    Nukes in the hands of kooks have far more serious repercussions.

    I'd rather have the fallout on their turf than ours. Both types.

    If the intel is correct, Obama will have this to deal with. Of course he can pull a move like The Clintons did, and push serious threats to #45.

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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Ah, but it wasn't "their" statements. It was Ahmadinejad's statements. He doesn't speak for Iran...he doesn't even speak for the government of Iran. At best, he's the third most powerful person in Iran...and probably a lot lower on the totem pole than that.

    Now a nuclear Iran would certainly not be pleasant to deal with, but the people who would actually have their finger on the button are skilled enough in realpolitik to not bring about their own immediate demise.
    Oh boy.

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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Ah, but it wasn't "their" statements. It was Ahmadinejad's statements. He doesn't speak for Iran...he doesn't even speak for the government of Iran. At best, he's the third most powerful person in Iran...and probably a lot lower on the totem pole than that.

    Now a nuclear Iran would certainly not be pleasant to deal with, but the people who would actually have their finger on the button are skilled enough in realpolitik to not bring about their own immediate demise.
    Doesn't Iran support Hamas with weapons and don't you think the may hand them a nuclear car-bomb?

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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Life is tough isn't it. If they don't disarm, then there is no option. So...

    In a word.

    Yes we will have to bomb.

    Repercussions. Surely.

    Nukes in the hands of kooks have far more serious repercussions.

    I'd rather have the fallout on their turf than ours. Both types.

    If the intel is correct, Obama will have this to deal with. Of course he can pull a move like The Clintons did, and push serious threats to #45.
    You didn't answer my other question. Do you think we will be able to destroy Iran's thousands of underground nuclear sites without a single exception? There are surely lots of them that our intelligence doesn't even know about.
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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    Doesn't Iran support Hamas with weapons and don't you think the may hand them a nuclear car-bomb?
    If they wanted to nuke Israel they'd do it themselves, rather than give a nuke to irresponsible ****ups like Hamas. I'm sure they're under no illusions that the CIA wouldn't be able to figure out where the bomb came from.
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    Re: Experts: Iran Will Have Nuke This Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You didn't answer my other question. Do you think we will be able to destroy Iran's thousands of underground nuclear sites without a single exception? There are surely lots of them that our intelligence doesn't even know about.
    Yes.

    I have no doubt.

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