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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I have no problem with that. However, the UN does not have the right to demand that we stop the wheels of justice in order to correct an administrative error.
    I find it hard to believe that an administrative error in any way nullifies our obligation to abide by signed treaties in good faith, and I find it hard to believe that you would take such a position.

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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The guy we executed here in Texas only raped and murdered 2 little girls.

    Screw the UN. Justice has been served.

    Article is here.
    Denial of access to Mexican consuls was a clear violation of international law. This will make it possible for foreign dictators to use this as an excuse to similarly treat Americans in the future. I agree, he should have been executed if he committed the crimes, however, access to Mexican representatives is a matter of international law and protocals acceded to by the United States.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    While the US did not follow the orders correctly, the details of the case is disgusting and I cannot blame the state of Texas for what they did.
    Wouldn't it have been better for Texas to follow the obligations assumed by the US government through treaties that have been signed and ratified, THEN executed the b^%^#D? That would have preserved the rights of Americans overseas and preserved the moral high ground for the State of Texas.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    When you know the laws and you break them, no matter what country you are in, you should face the punishment. The first thing when you travel to, or move to, another country you should make yourself familiar with their laws. Then when you do break the law, you have to face the consenquences.
    But when the host country does not follow IT'S obligation under laws it has agreed to?
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You are the one who widened the goal posts. Fact is, the suspect never told authorities that he wanted Mexico to be notified that he was arrested for molesting kids and killing them, and that's his tough luck. Of course, authorities in Texas could start asking every Hispanic they pick up if they are illegal aliens, but then you would accuse them of rascism.
    They are obligated to notify him of his rights. Did they so notify him? Apparently not. The State of Texas failed to abide by treaties that the United States has signed. No one is arguing that he should have been punished for breaking the law and committing the crimes. However, that does not excuse the United States for violating international law.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Gee, he didn't get a fair trial. The Hague is so much better to judge this.
    THat is now what the ICJ is deciding. THey are ruling on his right to notify Mexican consular authorities.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That doesn't contradict me at all. He had already been convicted and sentenced to death. All that quote from you does is show that Texas gave a middle finger to the UN. I give a middle finger to the UN too on that.
    He was convicted, but the accused was not accorded his rights under agreements that the United States has signed with the international community.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Did they rape and murder 2 liittle girls?
    Then yes.
    Wouldn't you?
    The point is not whether he is guilty or not. THe point is that his rights were NOT respected and the law was NOT followed.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I always give the middle finger to the UN... I don't need a reason.
    This isn't about the UN. This is about an international agreement that the United States is a party to.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The UN doesn't hold any soveriegnty over the US, it can go suck a toad. I don't agree with the death penalty in general, but the UN has no say here. This was Texas' business, don't rape and kill little girls there I guess is the moral of the story.
    However, the United States is a party to international convenents regarding the right of suspects to have access to their country's consular officials. If that was denied, then the United States was in violation of international law. It isn't a matter of the UN. It is a matter of following international agreements to which the United States is a party.
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