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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If they raped and murdered 2 little girls, then my answer is hell yes. I certainly don't want them back here.
    No. I'm asking if they broke the laws of other countries. Like say in Saudi Arabia. If they broke the strict anti-drug laws of Saudi Arabia. Would you be in favor of the punishment? Or would you be outraged? Don't widen the goalposts.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. I'm asking if they broke the laws of other countries. Like say in Saudi Arabia. If they broke the strict anti-drug laws of Saudi Arabia. Would you be in favor of the punishment? Or would you be outraged? Don't widen the goalposts.




    This savage did rape and kill 2 girls. You are the one widening the goal posts. fail.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    While the US did not follow the orders correctly, the details of the case is disgusting and I cannot blame the state of Texas for what they did.


    On June 24, 1993, Medellín performed a gang initiation in a park along with five others, Peter Cantu, Roman Sandoval, Efrain Perez, Raul Villareal and Derrick O'Brien. Two others, Frank Sandoval and Venancio Medellín, were present but did not participate in the initiation. The initiation involved the new member, Raul Villareal, submitting to beatings from the others. After this, the gang members remained in the park, drinking beer. At this time, 14-year-old Jennifer Ertman and 16-year-old Elizabeth Pena were taking a shortcut through the park to get home before curfew. They encountered the gang, and Medellín began talking to Pena. She attempted to flee, but he forced her to the ground. Pena cried for help and Ertman ran back to assist her. In response, Cantu and O'Brien pushed her down as well. Roman and Frank Sandoval chose to leave then. The remainder of the gang, as well as Venancio Medellín, took turns vaginally and anally raping the two girls. Afterwards, they were beaten, then the gang decided to murder the girls so they would not be identified as the rapists. Medellín killed one of the girls by using his shoelaces to strangle her, then crushing her neck with his foot. Other gang members strangled the remaining girl with a nylon belt, until the belt snapped.

    Medellín, Villareal, Perez, and Cantu then congregated at Cantu's home, where he lived along with his brother, Joe Cantu, and sister-in-law, Christina Cantu. Christina Cantu questioned why Villareal was bleeding and Perez had a bloody shirt. This prompted Medellín to say the gang "had fun", and that details would appear on the news. He then elaborated that he had raped both girls. Peter Cantu then returned, and divided valuables that had been stolen from the girls. Medellín got a ring with an "E", so he could give it to his girlfriend, Esther. Medellín reported that he had killed a girl, and noted that he would have found it easier with a gun. Derrick Sean O'Brien was videotaped smiling at the scene of the crime. After the gang left, Christina Cantu convinced Joe Cantu to report the crime to police. Four days after the crime, the bodies were found in the park. They were badly decaying, and dental records were used for identification. The medical examiner corroborated that the cause of death was strangulation. All those believed responsible were ultimately arrested. Medellín gave both a written and taped confession
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    His case gained notoriety when Mexico sued the United States in the International Court of Justice on behalf of 51 Mexican nationals asserting that, in these cases, the US had violated the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, to which it is signatory, which requires that local authorities inform foreign nationals being held on criminal charges of their right to consult with their country’s diplomats. That court ruled that the United States was obliged to have the defendants’ cases reopened and reconsidered. The Supreme Court of the United States agreed to hear the case on May 1, 2007. The Bush administration briefed the Supreme Court on the obligation to comply with international treaties. On March 25, 2008, the US Supreme Court rejected the Bush administration's arguments and cleared the way for Texas to execute the sentence.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. I'm asking if they broke the laws of other countries. Like say in Saudi Arabia. If they broke the strict anti-drug laws of Saudi Arabia. Would you be in favor of the punishment? Or would you be outraged? Don't widen the goalposts.
    When you know the laws and you break them, no matter what country you are in, you should face the punishment. The first thing when you travel to, or move to, another country you should make yourself familiar with their laws. Then when you do break the law, you have to face the consenquences.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This savage did rape and kill 2 girls. You are the one widening the goal posts. fail.
    Do the toxic fumes of Jersey make everybody in that state completely illiterate?

    Anyways :

    danarhea

    The guy we executed here in Texas only raped and murdered 2 little girls.

    Screw the UN. Justice has been served.
    My question :

    Would you be in favor of Americans being executed in other countries for breaking their laws?
    If danarhea believes in justice being served then he'll have absolutely no objection to justice being served in other countries on American citizens. It's a matter of consistency.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. I'm asking if they broke the laws of other countries. Like say in Saudi Arabia. If they broke the strict anti-drug laws of Saudi Arabia. Would you be in favor of the punishment? Or would you be outraged? Don't widen the goalposts.
    You are the one who widened the goal posts. Fact is, the suspect never told authorities that he wanted Mexico to be notified that he was arrested for molesting kids and killing them, and that's his tough luck. Of course, authorities in Texas could start asking every Hispanic they pick up if they are illegal aliens, but then you would accuse them of rascism.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. I'm asking if they broke the laws of other countries. Like say in Saudi Arabia. If they broke the strict anti-drug laws of Saudi Arabia. Would you be in favor of the punishment? Or would you be outraged? Don't widen the goalposts.
    I wouldn't be outraged if they stoned a stoner.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You are the one who widened the goal posts. Fact is, the suspect never told authorities that he wanted Mexico to be notified that he was arrested for molesting kids and killing them, that's his tough luck. Of course, authorities in Texas could start asking every Hispanic they pick up if they are illegal aliens, but then you would accuse them of rascism.
    The Raw Story | US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    It was handing down judgment in a bid by Mexico to pressure the United States to review the sentences of 51 of its citizens sentenced to death on American soil after trials that violated international rights obligations.

    Mexico accuses Washington of contravening the court's 2004 order holding it in breach of the Vienna Convention for having failed to inform the Mexicans of their right to consular assistance during trial.
    The article and ruling contradict you.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Would you be in favor of Americans being executed in other countries for breaking their laws? Just a question. I know the yelling and screaming when some Australian kid in Singapore got caught with weed in her bag. I can't really imagine the American outrage if something like this was done to our citizens.
    Gee, he didn't get a fair trial. The Hague is so much better to judge this.
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