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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica View Post
    They make their own rules in Texas. That goes with the saying "don't mess with Texas". Bush is from Texas.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Would you be in favor of Americans being executed in other countries for breaking their laws? Just a question. I know the yelling and screaming when some Australian kid in Singapore got caught with weed in her bag. I can't really imagine the American outrage if something like this was done to our citizens.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Simply put, its their country, its their rules.
    But when you adhere to an international convention, you have to follow those rules as well. The US expects other countries to abide by the rules of the Consular Convention, the US needs to abide by it as well.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Withdrew from the Optional Protocol, NOT the Convention itself. It was his convention rights that were violated.
    "Vienna Convention on Consular Relations" Which is EXACTLY what we are talking about.

    Bob and weave a little more why don't you.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Then explain how the Convention came into force in the US in 1969.
    It never "came into force" it was recognized by our government "US officials have often indicated that they accept at least much of the Convention as reflecting binding customary international law."

    Are you reading what people are posting or just skimming?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    First, the Law of Treaties specifically states it can't be applied to treaties that pre-date it, as the Vienna Convention does.
    What part of "In March 2005, the United States pulled out of the Optional Protocol to the Convention, which allows the International Court of Justice to have compulsory jurisdiction over disputes arising under the Convention. In June 2006, the United States Supreme Court ruled that foreign nationals who were not notified of their right to consular notification and access after an arrest may not use the treaty violation to suppress evidence obtained in police interrogation or belatedly raise legal challenges after trial (Sanchez-Llamas v. Oregon[1]). In March 2008, the Supreme Court further ruled that the decision of the International Court of Justice directing the United States to give "review and reconsideration" to the cases of 51 Mexican convicts on death row was not a binding domestic law and therefore could not be used to overcome state procedural default rules that barred further post-conviction challenges" are you having problems with?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Second, the U.S. is obligated to abide by customary international law if it has shown by its own actions that it accepts its provisions, even if it were not a party to the convention, which it clearly is.
    As it has been shown numerous times, you are wrong. The US opted out of the "Vienna Convention on Consular Relations."

    You have no leg to stand on.

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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica View Post
    They make their own rules in Texas. That goes with the saying "don't mess with Texas". Bush is from Texas.
    Actually, Bush is originally from Connecticut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "Vienna Convention on Consular Relations" Which is EXACTLY what we are talking about.

    Bob and weave a little more why don't you.



    It never "came into force" it was recognized by our government "US officials have often indicated that they accept at least much of the Convention as reflecting binding customary international law."

    Are you reading what people are posting or just skimming?



    What part of "In March 2005, the United States pulled out of the Optional Protocol to the Convention, which allows the International Court of Justice to have compulsory jurisdiction over disputes arising under the Convention. In June 2006, the United States Supreme Court ruled that foreign nationals who were not notified of their right to consular notification and access after an arrest may not use the treaty violation to suppress evidence obtained in police interrogation or belatedly raise legal challenges after trial (Sanchez-Llamas v. Oregon[1]). In March 2008, the Supreme Court further ruled that the decision of the International Court of Justice directing the United States to give "review and reconsideration" to the cases of 51 Mexican convicts on death row was not a binding domestic law and therefore could not be used to overcome state procedural default rules that barred further post-conviction challenges" are you having problems with?



    As it has been shown numerous times, you are wrong. The US opted out of the "Vienna Convention on Consular Relations."

    You have no leg to stand on.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The point is not whether he is guilty or not. THe point is that his rights were NOT respected and the law was NOT followed.
    Which has nothing to do with the question I responded to, or my response.

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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You are ignoring the issue. THe issue is NOT the execution of a scumbag. The issue is that scumbag did NOT have access to consular officials.
    I'm sorry -- your response here is completely out of context.

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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It is a treaty that was signed by the United States. It has an international obligation to uphold to its international agreements.




    Enforce it.


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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    However, his rights to consular access were DENIED him, contrary to a treaty signed and adhered to by the United States - and used by the US itself to insist on access to its own nationals.



    Screw his "consular rights", MExico, The UN, and anyone else that has a problem with this execution. No offense.
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