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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I am not the UN's biggest fan either, but the treaty involved has nothing to do with the UN.
    "The UN's highest court Monday held the United States in breach of its July order not to execute a Mexican man sentenced to death in Texas after a flawed trial."

    Sorry but the UN is involved.

    Considering the travesty's Mexico perpetrates on the US, I say screw them and the UN.

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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "The UN's highest court Monday held the United States in breach of its July order not to execute a Mexican man sentenced to death in Texas after a flawed trial."

    Sorry but the UN is involved.

    Considering the travesty's Mexico perpetrates on the US, I say screw them and the UN.
    Flawed trial, my ass. I followed this case closely, and the evidence was overwhelmingly against him. His lawyer attempted to plead out to a lesser charge, but the prosecutor was not buying any of it. He wanted the death penalty and nothing less. Want to know how the girls died after they were raped? They were slowly strangled so this creep could get his rocks off by extracting every last ounce of fear and terror from them before they lost consciousness for the last time. This creep was even worse than Ted Bundy.

    My only regret is that this creep was not killed the exact same way he killed those 2 little girls.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "The UN's highest court Monday held the United States in breach of its July order not to execute a Mexican man sentenced to death in Texas after a flawed trial."

    Sorry but the UN is involved.

    Considering the travesty's Mexico perpetrates on the US, I say screw them and the UN.
    It is a treaty that was signed by the United States. It has an international obligation to uphold to its international agreements.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Flawed trial, my ass. I followed this case closely, and the evidence was overwhelmingly against him. His lawyer attempted to plead out to a lesser charge, but the prosecutor was not buying any of it. He wanted the death penalty and nothing less. Want to know how the girls died after they were raped? They were slowly strangled so this creep could get his rocks off by extracting every last ounce of fear and terror from them before they lost consciousness for the last time. This creep was even worse than Ted Bundy.

    My only regret is that this creep was not killed the exact same way he killed those 2 little girls.
    It is flawed if his rights are not fully protected. They obviously were not in this case, so it WAS flawed.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You keep saying that the treaty was ratified by Congress. It was NOT.
    Do you have a source for this?

    The Vienna Convention went into force in the United States in 1969.

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    From the Department of State website

    Customary International Law

    While the field of consular relations is now largely occupied by the treaties discussed above, the United States still looks to customary international law as a basis for insisting upon adherence to the right of consular notification, even in the case of countries not party to the VCCR or any relevant bilateral agreement. Consular notification is in our view a universally accepted, basic obligation that should be extended even to foreign nationals who do not benefit from the VCCR or from any other applicable bilateral agreement. Thus, in all cases, the minimum requirements are to notify a foreign national who is arrested or detained that the national's consular officials may be notified upon request; to so notify consular officials if requested; and to permit consular officials to provide consular assistance if they wish to do so.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    He got all the rights he needed, and the same rights accorded any American citizen accused of the same crime.


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    However, his rights to consular access were DENIED him, contrary to a treaty signed and adhered to by the United States - and used by the US itself to insist on access to its own nationals.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    However, his rights to consular access were DENIED him, contrary to a treaty signed and adhered to by the United States - and used by the US itself to insist on access to its own nationals.
    And again, Congress did NOT ratify the treaty, so it was not in effect. This has already been vetted by the Supreme Court itself. That scum should not get more rights than the American scum who also were in on the act.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And again, Congress did NOT ratify the treaty, so it was not in effect. This has already been vetted by the Supreme Court itself.
    Source for this? How did the treaty become in force in the US in 1969 then?

    The State Department uses not only this treaty but customary international law. Even if Congress didn't pass it, the fact the State department uses it indicates the US accepts this as customary international law and is thus bound by it.
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    Re: US breached order by executing Mexican: UN court

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It is a treaty that was signed by the United States. It has an international obligation to uphold to its international agreements.
    The Constitution clearly states that a treaty cannot conflict with the Constitution or laws of the United States.
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