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    Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    WASHINGTON (AP) — President George W. Bush has commuted the prison sentences of two former Border Patrol guards whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer ignited debate about illegal immigration.

    Bush's act of clemency on Monday for Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean was a victory for Democratic and Republican members of Congress and others who pleaded with the president to pardon the men or at least commute their sentences.

    The Associated Press: Bush commutes sentences for 2 Border guards

    If there was any pardon that was wished for more it would be for these two. The fact that they went to jail for a "cover up" despite following Border Patrol guidelines has been a major blow to morale to Border Patrol agents for a long time.
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    Re: Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    Great news, long over due.
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    Re: Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    I don't get it? Why should they be let go if they murdered an unarmed man and tried to cover it up? I'm not familiar with the details, but according to the linked story, that is what they were convicted of.
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    Re: Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't get it? Why should they be let go if they murdered an unarmed man and tried to cover it up? I'm not familiar with the details, but according to the linked story, that is what they were convicted of.
    You should read the link again. The suspect wasn't murdered (he was shot in the buttocks as he fled after physically assaulting a BP agent while escaping arrest for drug smuggling), he wasn't unarmed (it was never proven either way, the agent said he pointed something that looked like a gun, the suspect fled into Mexico and jumped into a van with other criminals and sped away after being shot, presumably taking the object with him), and they didn't cover it up.

    The suspect is still very much alive and now serving a long sentence for drug smuggling...a case he caught long after this incident. He's an unrepentant felon.
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    Re: Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    See this thread which was already started on this subject... http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...ol-agents.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Here's why:
    • The suspect was committing a felony crime by smuggling 743 pounds of marijuana into the country.
    • When confronted he fled. During the capture he physically assaulted a federal agent and him left cut and bleeding on the ground.
    • His assaulting the federal agent allowed for him to escape arrest.
    • While escaping he pointed an object at another federal agent, and that agent in good faith believe that object to be a gun. The suspect was obviously a violent offender. He shot in self defense.
    • The suspect fled into Mexico, taking with him the object he pointed at the officer.
    • The Department of Homeland Security went and found the suspect, and offered him complete immunity and a temporary green card to come back and testify against these officers. Immunity! A Mexican drug smuggler gets immunity after bringing in 743lbs of marijuana, assaulting a federal officer, and escaping arrest.
    • DHS lied to members of Congress about the case.
    • At the trial the suspect lied on the stand.
    • At the trial the Border Patrol supervisor lied on the stand despite testimony from mulitple agents that contradicted him.
    • The federal prosecutor lied to the trial court and the appeals court about the suspects drug connections.
    • One of the charges against them, tampering with the judicial process, was vacated under appeal.
    • The only real bad deed these men committed was not completing agency mandated firearms discharge reports. To which the punishment is an unpaid suspension for five days.


    Ramos-Compean.

    This case was so outrageous that it united members of Congress on both sides of the aisle. It was labeled an absolute abuse of prosecutorial power. People will riot in the streets when it happens to a normal citizen, but when it happens to the cops it doesn't seem to matter much.

    They should have been fully pardoned and reinstated with back pay and damages. Their careers are ruined for doing their damned jobs.
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    Re: Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't get it? Why should they be let go if they murdered an unarmed man and tried to cover it up? I'm not familiar with the details, but according to the linked story, that is what they were convicted of.
    Since when do presidents NOT give pardons?
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    Re: Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    What a great day!!!!

    Their long nightmare is over!


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    Re: Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    You should read the link again. The suspect wasn't murdered (he was shot in the buttocks as he fled after physically assaulting a BP agent while escaping arrest for drug smuggling), he wasn't unarmed (it was never proven either way, the agent said he pointed something that looked like a gun, the suspect fled into Mexico and jumped into a van with other criminals and sped away after being shot, presumably taking the object with him), and they didn't cover it up.

    The suspect is still very much alive and now serving a long sentence for drug smuggling...a case he caught long after this incident. He's an unrepentant felon.
    I was WAYYY off. Sounds like they deserved to be free, then.
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    Re: Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Since when do presidents NOT give pardons?
    I never said Bush shouldn't give any pardons, I was curious about this particular case. I clearly read things wrong. Sounds like these guys should never have been convicted.
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    Re: Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    Their sentences were commuted. They were not pardoned.

    Unlike a pardon, a commutation does not forgive the underlying offense.

    A commutation lessens the severity of the punishment. A pardon excuses or forgives the offense itself.

    From the OP:

    Bush commutes sentences for 2 Border guards

    By DEB RIECHMANN – 3 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — President George W. Bush has commuted the prison sentences of two former Border Patrol guards whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer ignited debate about illegal immigration.

    Bush's act of clemency on Monday for Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean was a victory for Democratic and Republican members of Congress and others who pleaded with the president to pardon the men or at least commute their sentences.

    Ramos and Compean are each serving sentences of more than 10 years for shooting an unarmed illegal immigrant as he was fleeing an abandoned marijuana load in 2005, then trying to cover it up.

    The Associated Press: Bush commutes sentences for 2 Border guards

    OBL 11/24/02

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