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    Re: Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    Frankly, the reporting on the incident is terrible, with everyone blatantly leaving out crucial facts. Here is what I managed to gather from reading multiple sources of different leanings.

    1) No solid evidence showed that the smuggler was either armed or unarmed at the time.

    2) Compean and Ramos both failed to report the incident except mentioning "I had to fire some rounds." Only later after the incident was reported from another source, did they mention firing on what they believed to be an unarmed man.

    3) Compean removed shell casings and asked another agent to remove shell casings from the incident.

    4) Ramos and Compean had holes in their testimony that conflicted.

    All in all, it appears that these men were in fact guilty of obstruction of justice, but not assault. There is not evidence to show beyond a reasonable doubt that they shot an unarmed man. However, removing the shell casings, asking another agent to remove casings, and failing to report the incident shows clear intent of a cover-up. I would suggest these men didn't actually commit a crime until they panicked and decided to tamper with evidence and withhold information.

    The 12 years conviction comes from mandatory sentencing guidelines requiring at least 10 years for committing a violent crime with a firearm, something the jury was unaware of. In my opinion, they should simply have been conivcted with obstruction of justice ( as was offered in the plea bargin), and let off on the other charges.

    Overall, I will agree with Bush's choice to pardon, as the sentence far outweighs the crimes these men actually committed. Furthermore, since they won't serve in the border patrol again, they will be unable to cause further problems by covering-up evidence. A satisfactory conclusion in my mind.

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    Re: Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    I've disagreed with liberals and others on many things that Bush has done in the last 8 years, but I think that this is something that many of us agree was long overdue. I personally would not want to see Bush ever serve time for the supposed "war crimes" that he has committed. However, perhaps it would be karma if Bush did experience jail time, since he procrastinated for over 3 years in pardoning Ramos and Compean. I felt all along that Bush's hesitancy in taking this action was an outrage that tipped his hand as to his apathetic view of enforcing laws against illegal aliens. I wonder how many agents quit (or quit giving a damn) after seeing what these 2 guys went through!

    At last... justice long overdue!
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    Re: Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    Tonight on Glenn Beck: Gov. Sarah Palin, Wives of Border Patrol Agents

    Monday , January 19, 2009

    Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and the wives of two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose sentences were commuted by President Bush Monday will appear as exclusive guests in todayís debut of Fox News Channelís Glenn Beck program.

    Palin will be among the first guests and during a live interview with Beckís show, which will air at 5 pm ET. The former Republican vice-presidential candidate will be followed later in the program by Patty Compean and Monica Ramos, who will also speak live about their two-year fight to secure the release of their husbands following the menís conviction on charges they illegally shot an allegedly unarmed illegal immigrant smuggling marijuana across the Texas border in 2005.

    In one of his final acts as president, Bush commuted the sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, convicted in 2007 of assault, discharge of a weapon in the commission of a crime of violence, deprivation of civil rights and tampering with an official.
    FOXNews.com - Tonight on Glenn Beck: Gov. Sarah Palin, Wives of Border Patrol Agents - Glenn Beck

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    Re: Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    Sounds like they should have been pardoned instead of that G-D Dam turkey.
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    Re: Ramos and Compean Pardoned

    It's about damm time.
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