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Bush commutes sentences of former border patrol agents

I agree, I am still very disappointed that Bush didn't have the courage to PARDON these two men for doing their job. It is still an injustice that they now have a criminal record in my opinion.

I don't think he lacked the courage. I got the impression that he didn't feel like they deserved a complete pardon.
 
Let me interpret this for the thread participants: “I didn't have any facts and jumped to wild eyed conclusions regarding this case because I would prefer we set murdering drug smugglers free and imprison those trying to protect our borders and American citizens. However, I also refuse to allow the facts to change my rabid partisan views about Bush.”

This, people, is what is wrong with Disney Dudes "chicken little" mentality and is the makeup of many other Bush haters in this country.

Can you be any more wrong in your interpretation?

I have never said that "murdering drug smugglers" should be "set free"...in fact I have said that the laws of our country should be applied to all equally. Drug smugglers deserve to be punished by the laws of our Country.....not by the hands of vigalante thugs who then lie and manipulate evidence to cover up their actions.

I have never said that we should "imprison those trying to protect our borders"....that just your hyper-melodramatic spin. I have great respect for law enforcement, as long as they faithfully and honorably discharge their duties.

When you justify actions of men like this, you demean every one of our officers who discharge their duties according to the law.
 
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When you justify actions of men like this, you demean every one of our officers who discharge their duties according to the law.

Let me correct this statement: When you demean the actions of men like this, you demean the efforts of other officers who discharge their duties according to the law.

The notion that these men violated our laws during their encounter with this thug who was indeed violating them is laughable; at best they broke the law trying to cover up what had occurred, now that would be what is wrong. They had nothing to hide except for the knowledge that the American media and Liberals would be calling for the heads of anyone who dared shoot a thug while trying to escape doing their duty.
 
Let me correct this statement: When you demean the actions of men like this, you demean the efforts of other officers who discharge their duties according to the law.

The notion that these men violated our laws during their encounter with this thug who was indeed violating them is laughable; at best they broke the law trying to cover up what had occurred, now that would be what is wrong. They had nothing to hide except for the knowledge that the American media and Liberals would be calling for the heads of anyone who dared shoot a thug while trying to escape doing their duty.



Your bolded statements show exactly the mentality that is wrong with those who think that by overlooking the actions of bad cops that they are supporting the good ones.
 
Maybe you would too if you actually looked at the physical evidence that basically refuted the agents story.

Says the man who thought they killed the person, that he was somehow proven to be unarmed, and that they tried to "cover up the killing"

How about this...

Go actually research what the **** you're talking about then come back and try to comment on people not knowing about the evidence.

Your initial post was filled with so many inaccurate statements that it is absolutely laughable you're telling anyone that they should look at the evidence. What evidence exactly did you research and learn so well that caused you to think the man was killed.

You're entire premise here is a joke because it was based off obviously idiotic, slanted, partisan hack propaganda put out by extremists on the left mad that a poor poor mexican just got put down by "The Man" of the U.S. again.
 
Says the man who thought they killed the person, that he was somehow proven to be unarmed, and that they tried to "cover up the killing"

How about this...

Go actually research what the **** you're talking about then come back and try to comment on people not knowing about the evidence.

Your initial post was filled with so many inaccurate statements that it is absolutely laughable you're telling anyone that they should look at the evidence. What evidence exactly did you research and learn so well that caused you to think the man was killed.

You're entire premise here is a joke because it was based off obviously idiotic, slanted, partisan hack propaganda put out by extremists on the left mad that a poor poor mexican just got put down by "The Man" of the U.S. again.

The only thing that was wrong in my original post was that I thought the man had been killed. It doesn't change the actions of these thugs in lying and manipulating evidence to cover up their actions.
 
Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents - Yahoo! News

Typical of his Presidency....Bush commutes the sentences of the border patrol agents who shot the man in the back.

Granted ... this man was a suspected drug dealer, nevertheless, he was unarmed and shot in the back and killed. Even worse, they lied and tried to cover up the killing.

They and that sheriff's deputy should have received pardons. Commuting their sentences is just a slap in the face to them. Maybe they can appeal to Obama for a actual pardon, although seeing how Obama share McCain and Bush's view on illegal immigration I seriously doubt Obama would grant them amnesty.
 
Honestly....why do you believe they deserved pardons?

They shot an unarmed man in the back, lied about it and then tried to cover it up by trying to get rid of the spent shell casing evidence.

I'm curious as to why you believe they deserved to be pardoned.

Because they were chasing down an illegal alien who was also a known drug dealer? I dunno...seems like good enough reason to give them a pass to me.

Although, I do find something confusing. If governors and presidents are in the executive branches of state and federal government, respectively, how do they have the power to overturn or nullify judicial mandates?
 
Because they were chasing down an illegal alien who was also a known drug dealer? I dunno...seems like good enough reason to give them a pass to me.

Although, I do find something confusing. If governors and presidents are in the executive branches of state and federal government, respectively, how do they have the power to overturn or nullify judicial mandates?

However...that overlooks their actions following the shooting. I'd be much more willing to give them the "benefit of the doubt" had they not lied and tried to alter evidence. That speaks volumes as to the legitimacy of their original claims.
 
Says the man who thought they killed the person, that he was somehow proven to be unarmed, and that they tried to "cover up the killing"

How about this...

Go actually research what the **** you're talking about then come back and try to comment on people not knowing about the evidence.

Your initial post was filled with so many inaccurate statements that it is absolutely laughable you're telling anyone that they should look at the evidence. What evidence exactly did you research and learn so well that caused you to think the man was killed.

You're entire premise here is a joke because it was based off obviously idiotic, slanted, partisan hack propaganda put out by extremists on the left mad that a poor poor mexican just got put down by "The Man" of the U.S. again.

this right here should be the thread ender. The OP was horribly ignorant and has done little to lead anybody to believe he is anything more then a mouth breather of the extreme left.
 
Meh you want to see to law enforcment agents suffer for 10 years each for shooting the asshole in the ass.
That's a lot more civilized than wanting the pot dealer killed....the truth is that the pot dealer is a criminal and so are the ex-border agents...and they all deserve to be in jail.
 
That's a lot more civilized than wanting the pot dealer killed....the truth is that the pot dealer is a criminal and so are the ex-border agents...and they all deserve to be in jail.

Exactly!....you say one thing that condemns law enforcement that break the law...and the radical apologists go crazy and claim that you are a criminal lover.

Thank you for actually understanding that all involved deserved to be jailed here.
 
Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents - Yahoo! News

Typical of his Presidency....Bush commutes the sentences of the border patrol agents who shot the man in the back.

Granted ... this man was a suspected drug dealer, nevertheless, he was unarmed and shot in the back and killed. Even worse, they lied and tried to cover up the killing.

No, he was a KNOWN drug dealer and he was shot in the ass... because he was trying to evade the border patrol and his impending arrest.

Get your facts straight.

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No, he was a KNOWN drug dealer and he was shot in the ass... because he was trying to evade the border patrol and his impending arrest.

Get your facts straight.

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Shot in the ass....shot in the back....same diff......the bottom line is, the man's back was to them and yet they claimed "self defense".

They then lied and tried to manipulate the evidence to cover up their lies.

True...the man was a known drug dealer and was evading and deserved to be jailed. It still doesn't justify the actions and lies of these two thugs who felt that they were above the law simply because they carried a badge.
 
Shot in the ass....shot in the back....same diff......the bottom line is, the man's back was to them and yet they claimed "self defense".

Yes, because as we ALL know its physically impossible to turn while you're running and shoot. Absolutely impossible.

Oh wait, its absolutely proven according to your wondrous source that ALSO apparently said that they killed the guy that he didn't have a gun and that the agents were lying. :roll:
 
Yes, because as we ALL know its physically impossible to turn while you're running and shoot. Absolutely impossible.

Oh wait, its absolutely proven according to your wondrous source that ALSO apparently said that they killed the guy that he didn't have a gun and that the agents were lying. :roll:

He didn't have a gun....and yes....it was proven that the agents were lying that's why they were convicted.
 
Not only was he a drug smuggler he was an invader. All invaders of our nation should be shot on sight. Where I live in Texas you can be shot for being on someones private property. But are BP agents can't shoot invaders crossing our borders illegally. What the hell is wrong with our country's values.

Ramos and Compean are heros as far as I am concerned. They shot a low life piece of ****. The only thing they did wrong is they didn't kill the SOB.

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My personal belief is that the dealer was here illegally. (1st law broken)
and he was involved with drugs (2nd law broken)
His injuries would not have occured had he not broken the law in the first place.
As such the officer shouldn't be held accountable.
 
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I agree, I am still very disappointed that Bush didn't have the courage to PARDON these two men for doing their job. It is still an injustice that they now have a criminal record in my opinion.

I couldn't agree with you more.
 
My personal belief is that the dealer was here illegally. (1st law broken)
and he was involved with drugs (2nd law broken)
His injuries would not have occured had he not broken the law in the first place.
As such the officer shouldn't be held accountable.

Didn't your mother ever teach you...."Two wrongs don't make a right".

By your rationale, the police don't have to follow their job description nor the laws of this land as long as they are pursuing another person who broke the law.
 
Didn't your mother ever teach you...."Two wrongs don't make a right".

By your rationale, the police don't have to follow their job description nor the laws of this land as long as they are pursuing another person who broke the law.

Not exactly. The question is; Are the initial criminal actions of the 1st party (the dealer) place the person in a situation that led to the shooting?
In this case the answer is Yes. Had he not been here illegally, he would not have been shot.
In many countries if someone hits you in a car accident and they are there illegally, tough ****, and they pay for your car because their illegal action (being there) caused the accident.
I have seen cases here where people were drinking and driving and got hit and were held responsible for the accident. They shouldn't have been behind the wheel to start with.
 
Didn't your mother ever teach you...."Two wrongs don't make a right".

I don't particularly see a drug dealer getting shot in the rear during the commission of two criminal acts as that big a wrong. Sorry.
 
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