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    Re: Bush commutes sentences of former border patrol agents

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    How is shooting an unarmed man in the back "Doing their job"? I doubt that is part of the job description or training.
    They were drug smugglers. They were shot in the back because their backs were facing the agents while they were running. If they had turned around, I am sure they would have shot them in the stomach. Either way, they deserved it. The agents should have finished both of them off by shooting them in the head.
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    Re: Bush commutes sentences of former border patrol agents

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Honestly....why do you believe they deserved pardons?

    They shot an unarmed man in the back, lied about it and then tried to cover it up by trying to get rid of the spent shell casing evidence.

    I'm curious as to why you believe they deserved to be pardoned.
    Here's why:
    • The suspect was committing a felony crime by smuggling 743 pounds of marijuana into the country.
    • When confronted he fled. During the capture he physically assaulted a federal agent and him left cut and bleeding on the ground.
    • His assaulting the federal agent allowed for him to escape arrest.
    • While escaping he pointed an object at another federal agent, and that agent in good faith believe that object to be a gun. The suspect was obviously a violent offender. He shot in self defense.
    • The suspect fled into Mexico, taking with him the object he pointed at the officer.
    • The Department of Homeland Security went and found the suspect, and offered him complete immunity and a temporary green card to come back and testify against these officers. Immunity! A Mexican drug smuggler gets immunity after bringing in 743lbs of marijuana, assaulting a federal officer, and escaping arrest.
    • DHS lied to members of Congress about the case.
    • At the trial the suspect lied on the stand.
    • At the trial the Border Patrol supervisor lied on the stand despite testimony from mulitple agents that contradicted him.
    • The federal prosecutor lied to the trial court and the appeals court about the suspects drug connections.
    • One of the charges against them, tampering with the judicial process, was vacated under appeal.
    • The only real bad deed these men committed was not completing agency mandated firearms discharge reports. To which the punishment is an unpaid suspension for five days.


    Ramos-Compean.

    This case was so outrageous that it united members of Congress on both sides of the aisle. It was labeled an absolute abuse of prosecutorial power. People will riot in the streets when it happens to a normal citizen, but when it happens to the cops it doesn't seem to matter much.

    They should have been fully pardoned and reinstated with back pay and damages. Their careers are ruined for doing their damned jobs.
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    Re: Bush commutes sentences of former border patrol agents

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Here's why:
    • The suspect was committing a felony crime by smuggling 743 pounds of marijuana into the country.
    • When confronted he fled. During the capture he physically assaulted a federal agent and left cut and bleeding on the ground.
    • His assaulting the federal agent allowed for him to escape arrest.
    • While escaping he pointed an object at another federal agent, and that agent in good faith believe that object to be a gun. The suspect was obviously a violent offender. He shot in self defense.
    • The suspect fled into Mexico, taking with him the object he pointed at the officer.
    • The Department of Homeland Security went and found the suspect, and offered him complete immunity and a temporary green card to come back and testify against these officers. Immunity! A Mexican drug smuggler gets immunity after bringing in almost 800lbs of marijuana, assuaulting a federal officer, and escaping arrest.
    • DHS lied to members of Congress about the case.
    • At the trial the suspect lied on the stand.
    • At the trial the Border Patrol supervisor lied on the stand despite testimony from mulitple agents that contradicted him.
    • One of the charges against them, tampering with the judicial process, was vacated under appeal.
    • The only real bad deed these men committed was not completing agency mandated firearms discharge reports. To which the punishment is an unpaid suspension for five days.


    Ramos-Compean.

    This case was so outrageous that it united members of Congress on both sides of the aisle. It was labeled an absolute abuse of prosecutorial power. People will riot in the streets when it happens to a normal citizen, but when it happens to the cops it doesn't seem to matter much.

    They should have been fully pardoned and reinstated with back pay and damages. Their careers are ruined for doing their damned jobs.
    I don't think the marijuana is a big deal. I think it should be legalized anyway. I mean, after all he could have been bringing something far worse into the country. That being said, he obviously shouldn't have assaulted the federal officer, pointed an object at the federal officer or fled. I seriously can't believe the guy got immunity after all of that.

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    Re: Bush commutes sentences of former border patrol agents

    Quote Originally Posted by IT
    When you shoot someone, always assume it might kill them. There are arteries the thickness of your pinky in your legs. Who cares if he was bringing in 700 lbs of weed? Weed isn't dangerous in itself. Shooting people running away from you is not defending yourself
    Weed is not dangerous, but it is illegal. Transporting it across international borders is illegal. See lerxst post (the one that you thanked) as to why they were defending themselves.
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    Re: Bush commutes sentences of former border patrol agents

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Here's why:
    • The suspect was committing a felony crime by smuggling 743 pounds of marijuana into the country.
    • When confronted he fled. During the capture he physically assaulted a federal agent and him left cut and bleeding on the ground.
    • His assaulting the federal agent allowed for him to escape arrest.
    • While escaping he pointed an object at another federal agent, and that agent in good faith believe that object to be a gun. The suspect was obviously a violent offender. He shot in self defense.
    • The suspect fled into Mexico, taking with him the object he pointed at the officer.
    • The Department of Homeland Security went and found the suspect, and offered him complete immunity and a temporary green card to come back and testify against these officers. Immunity! A Mexican drug smuggler gets immunity after bringing in 743lbs of marijuana, assaulting a federal officer, and escaping arrest.
    • DHS lied to members of Congress about the case.
    • At the trial the suspect lied on the stand.
    • At the trial the Border Patrol supervisor lied on the stand despite testimony from mulitple agents that contradicted him.
    • The federal prosecutor lied to the trial court and the appeals court about the suspects drug connections.
    • One of the charges against them, tampering with the judicial process, was vacated under appeal.
    • The only real bad deed these men committed was not completing agency mandated firearms discharge reports. To which the punishment is an unpaid suspension for five days.


    Ramos-Compean.

    This case was so outrageous that it united members of Congress on both sides of the aisle. It was labeled an absolute abuse of prosecutorial power. People will riot in the streets when it happens to a normal citizen, but when it happens to the cops it doesn't seem to matter much.

    They should have been fully pardoned and reinstated with back pay and damages. Their careers are ruined for doing their damned jobs.






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    Re: Bush commutes sentences of former border patrol agents

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I mean, after all he could have been bringing something far worse into the country. .

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    Re: Bush commutes sentences of former border patrol agents

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Luis Miguel?
    Exactly. *shudder*

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    Re: Bush commutes sentences of former border patrol agents

    Wow! This is going to make a lot of people very happy. Surely Bush's approval will go up 5 points for his last week.

    I really didn't think he was going to do it.

    Thank you, President Bush!

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    Re: Bush commutes sentences of former border patrol agents

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I thought he had been killed....nevertheless.....what about their actions make you believe that they deserved to be pardoned?
    WHOA! Disney Do-o-o-o-o-ode. PROOF that you have no graps on the facts. Why not learn something then and only then post. Is there ANYTHING you DO know about this case?Anything?
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: Bush commutes sentences of former border patrol agents

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Weed is not dangerous, but it is illegal. Transporting it across international borders is illegal. See lerxst post (the one that you thanked) as to why they were defending themselves.
    Yeah, I hadn't read that when I posted. That's why I deleted my post.

    I didn't realize that he had something in his hand.
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