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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Sorry but you are completely wrong what we had in the past was mercantilism, protectionism, and neo-mercantilism. Free market economies have never really existed.
    Ever since Rome we had free markets and capitalism in Europe.
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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Ever since Rome we had free markets and capitalism in Europe.
    History and facts disagree with you. Tariffs ,subsidies ,and export taxes do not constitute a free market.
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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    History and facts disagree with you. Tariffs ,subsidies ,and export taxes do not constitute a free market.
    Internal markets..

    In that definition we do not have free markets now either, we have taxes and VAT and so on.
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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Ever since Rome we had free markets and capitalism in Europe.
    Not exactly. Rome was largely built on economic conquest by the state which in itself is not a free market.

    What we have today is managed trade. Free trade is actually quite impossible to maintain as those who have the power to change the framework do so to eliminate the free part and consolidate their power into oligopolies or monopolies. It's been said that the biggest detractors to free market capitalism is business.
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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not exactly. Rome was largely built on economic conquest by the state which in itself is not a free market.

    What we have today is managed trade. Free trade is actually quite impossible to maintain as those who have the power to change the framework do so to eliminate the free part and consolidate their power into oligopolies or monopolies. It's been said that the biggest detractors to free market capitalism is business.
    excellent explanation
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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not exactly. Rome was largely built on economic conquest by the state which in itself is not a free market.

    What we have today is managed trade. Free trade is actually quite impossible to maintain as those who have the power to change the framework do so to eliminate the free part and consolidate their power into oligopolies or monopolies. It's been said that the biggest detractors to free market capitalism is business.
    I think he might have meant the Treaty of Rome.

    Otherwise it wouldn't have made any sense.......although this is Max isn't it.
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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not exactly. Rome was largely built on economic conquest by the state which in itself is not a free market.

    What we have today is managed trade. Free trade is actually quite impossible to maintain as those who have the power to change the framework do so to eliminate the free part and consolidate their power into oligopolies or monopolies. It's been said that the biggest detractors to free market capitalism is business.
    Geez..

    We had almost the same type of free markets that we have, those we had for about 2000 years in Europe, ever since Roman times.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Geez..

    We had almost the same type of free markets that we have, those we had for about 2000 years in Europe, ever since Roman times.
    I stand corrected. It makes no sense though.
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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I stand corrected. It makes no sense though.
    People were actually more free to trade between them in the past then they are now.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Geez..

    We had almost the same type of free markets that we have, those we had for about 2000 years in Europe, ever since Roman times.
    That argument doesn't follow that they are free. The Roman times weren't free either. State conquests to bring in huge sums of gold to the internal market is hardly 'free.'

    The only "free market" we've seen occurs in anarchy and quickly disappears.
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