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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    There was an American on another thread who made a joke about how Israel should have killed enough Gaza civilians to match the numbers who voted for Hamas.

    And you wonder why you have an image problem?

    I'm hardly a leftie and I despise the EU but I don't feel much better about the US to be honest.
    We have an image problem because desperate Liberals want to portray Americans as the empire building aggressor in Iraq rather than deal with the TRUTH, FACTS or REALITY.

    But hey, the efforts of a small group of out-of-control prison guards in Iraq who were prosecuted and jailed is far worse than the images of terrorists slicing the heads off their screaming innocent victims for a video.

    You just can't make up the incredible level of willful denial in the world today that wants to portray America is this bad entity for enforcing UN resolutions and trying to rid the planet of desperate terrorists.

    And what is the EUs response to all this; they pontificate on how to properly deal with terrorists by appeasing them and negotiating trade deals with despots that benefit their nations desperate need for oil and sit on their hands and desperately try to defend the indefensible. But not to worry Europe, America is always ready to do the dirty work of the UN and sacrifice its troops and wealth doing the RIGHT thing.

    It requires an incredible level of ignorance to think that things were better with Saddam in charge. But that is the state of Liberals in the world today who think by just caring, pontificating over talking points and blaming Israel and America for all the world’s problems that the terrorists will suddenly stop trying to kill us and lay down their arms.

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    We have an image problem because desperate Liberals want to portray Americans as the empire building aggressor in Iraq rather than deal with the TRUTH, FACTS or REALITY.

    But hey, the efforts of a small group of out-of-control prison guards in Iraq who were prosecuted and jailed is far worse than the images of terrorists slicing the heads off their screaming innocent victims for a video.

    You just can't make up the incredible level of willful denial in the world today that wants to portray America is this bad entity for enforcing UN resolutions and trying to rid the planet of desperate terrorists.
    I was against the war in Iraq for Britain and I think it was a bad idea for the US because it was a liberal crusade and I'm an old-fashioned Tory, anti-interventionist. But I understand what you mean and the attitude you talk can be silly but so is an aggressive and interventionist foreign policy.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I was against the war in Iraq for Britain and I think it was a bad idea for the US because it was a liberal crusade and I'm an old-fashioned Tory, anti-interventionist. But I understand what you mean and the attitude you talk can be silly but so is an aggressive and interventionist foreign policy.
    Yes, we have seen historically how appeasement works so much better haven't we?

    By the way, can you give me ONE citation where anti-interventionism has ever worked on despots, dictators and terrorists who are bent on destroying you?

    One thing is certain; history is always destined to repeat itself because people can never learn her hard lessons. You would think that after the failure of diplomacy in WWII, Korea, Vietnam and 9-11 we would have figured this out by now. But alas, we think that by wishing for peace, depots, dictators and terrorists will leave us alone; it is indeed a naive position to have and would be amusing if not for the fact that it costs the lives of innocent victims.

    I guess 9-11 wasn't the wake up call we thought it would be; carry on because there are those who now want to suggest that America was to blame and brought that on herself; quite the convenient rationalization don’t you think?

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Yes, we have seen historically how appeasement works so much better haven't we?
    That is an overused cliche that has no meaning here. We have seen how well interventionism works as well. Saddam was in a completely different position to Hitler.

    By the way, can you give me ONE citation where anti-interventionism has ever worked on despots, dictators and terrorists who are bent on destroying you?
    They tend to be bent on that due to interventionism.

    One thing is certain; history is always destined to repeat itself because people can never learn her hard lessons. You would think that after the failure of diplomacy in WWII, Korea, Vietnam and 9-11 we would have figured this out by now. But alas, we think that by wishing for peace, depots, dictators and terrorists will leave us alone; it is indeed a naive position to have and would be amusing if not for the fact that it costs the lives of innocent victims.
    One thing is certain; you arguments are full of cliche and no substance. You are bent on your liberal crusades against national interest for bull**** like installing democracy. Interventionist foreign is a danger to domestic liberty because as Randolph Bourne said War is the health of the state and as Robert Nisbet pointed out there is nothing like war to encourage the inherent centralising and bureaucratic tendencies innate in modern gov'ts. And it is a danger to external security because it increases tensions and global acrimony and leads to a world where borders and tranquility are less respected.

    Imagine if Russia and China decided they could invade nations for such liberal bs.
    I guess 9-11 wasn't the wake up call we thought it would be; carry on because there are those who now want to suggest that America was to blame and brought that on herself; quite the convenient rationalization don’t you think?
    Quite the rant you having aren't you?
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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Gross caricature. Even Obama recognizes the indispensability of capitalism to gaining and holding liberty.
    Yes, it was a gross caricature.
    I recognize it as well.. I am not saying capitalism is all bad, but needs to be changed to work, and the best capitalist model I have seen is the ones mixed with socialism, regulations and state planning. Those are the most sustainable in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Meanwhile, we see Muslims and North Africans rioting throughout Europe. We see the balkanization of the races throughout Europe. We see not economic equality, but economi inequality and do so despite decades of socialism being on the march across Europe.
    This is a fantasy. Perhaps its some sort of propaganda pressed on you by the American far right to get you to fear the Muslims even more, and have you hate them to prepare for the further/future genocide of the Muslims.

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Really? Hmmm, then why was the EU forced to cover part of its new HQ artwork displaying Romania as a toilet? Nice way to include eastern Europe, . And what were the French elites saying about those easten Euro nations when they backed America's play in Iraq and Rummy characterized them as the New Europe? Such inclusive words those were!
    Romania is one of the fastest growing countries in the world, after it started implementing EU law and became a part of the EU the country is booming. You dont expect it to be a France over night do you? Thats just not possible, but in time it will become a much better country. It only joined in 2007.. Eastern Europe has seen a lot of change in the 5 years they have been members and the 5 years before where they started implementing EU common laws. I remember when I was a young boy in school, we had a visit from a class of Latvians in my country Norway. They were dead poor, they could afford nothing in Norway and lived a life of complete poverty in Latvia, they had NOTHING, literally, they barely survived, their monthly wages were the same as daily wages in other European countries.. Now Latvia on a global scale is relatively rich, and pretty much have caught up with much of Europe, except the rich countries in the west. They have caught up Portugal and Greece for example, and all of South America, most of Asia. They were poorer than all those before, and the story is the same in all of eastern Europe!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    By the way, about giving away from your pockets, how's that working out in Spain, a nation that is nearly insolvent?
    Spain is a rich nation thanks to being in the EU for decades, its only a temporary setback. Their real estate for example is perhaps best in the world in general, and living standards enormously high. the problem is lack of diversity and its vulnerability but also strengths are highlighted with how the economy is going in the rest of the world. Spain have some of the best capitalized companies in the world, which are currently during even the financial crisis buying up companies across the world, and saving many from bankruptcy.


    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Really? Then how do you account for the fact that Iraq doesn't reflect American ideals? It's form of democracy doesn't even coincide with the American system of governance.
    Doesnt it now? Perhaps it doesnt represent the new administration, but it certainly was a perfect description for the last and past administrations. The US ideal of democracy and freedom being pushed on nations unwillingly. In huge contrast to where new EU members gladly adopt EU ideals, freedoms openness and democracy, they embrace them with happiness, and there is no need for war.

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Meanwhile, American taxpayers dole out billions every year in foreign aid and billions more in charitable giving to those around the world..
    Yep, and so do Europeans and a lot of other countries and regions.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Comparing the USA to Nazi Germany or the former Soviet Union is beyond absurd. But hey, since when did you ever have a coherent thought that made any sense.

    Carry on; I look forward to more of your hysterics, hyperbole, innuendo and US bashing.
    You clearly do not understand what I am talking about.. I am talking about "isolated" societies that have great opinions of themselves but where others view them negatively.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Ah yes, the age old Liberal myth that all that is bad was caused by George W. Bush and now that Obama is in charge, the Government will suddenly become more efficient, more adept at handling catastrophes, fight wars smarter, end the war on terror by patronizing despots, dictators and terrorists and knows where Osama Bin Laden is and bring him to justice.
    No, it's the cold hard truth that the former President is a dumbass. Now that Obama is in charge, I'm hoping to have a commander in chief who has no trouble using words of more than one syllable.

    As for the rest, which has nothing to do with the joy over Bush leaving,

    That same liberal myth suggest that the Government is also the ONLY entity that can end the recession and that it can only be done by super expanding the role of Government into every facet of our lives and spending us into a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit by borrowing and printing money.

    Yes folks, the cacophony on the Liberal left is astounding in its willful denial, its hyperbole, divisive partisan rhetoric and Obamanomics which requires the willful suspension of disbelief.

    Carry on.
    Have you looked at which presidents have run up the largest deficits? Specifically, have you noticed the spending habits of the last three Republicans?

    Yes, Obama is going to go on a little splurge here, hopefully quickly tapering off and returning to blanced budgets once the economy begins to grow again. But nobody should take seriously the blather about how conservatives, or at least American conservatives, wish to bring about balanced budgets and low deficits. Instead, they all waste vast sums of money once in power.
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    fyi Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    There was an American on another thread who made a joke about how Israel should have killed enough Gaza civilians to match the numbers who voted for Hamas.
    I think you might be referring to me, but I wasn't joking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    People saying that Israel has "gone too far" have simply not done the math.

    Hamas was voted in at 70 %.

    70% - 21% = 49%, and thus allows for another party or leader to be in the majority.

    The CIA says that Gaza contains 1500000 humans.

    21% of 1500000 = 315000

    Let me know when Israel has completed their work.

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    fyi Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its easy.. Capitalism IS selfish, its about grabbing as much as you can for yourself, American consumerism at the level it is today is at the detriment of others, same with Europe, we are also consumers, but not as much as Americans,
    Simply false. As I showed, Europe has been in the business for 800 years at least, while the U.S. has only existed for 234 years.

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    I could really care less what people think of me personally. Because of this I could really care less what others think of the US. Sometimes you have to be a dick in order to do the right thing.
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