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    fyi Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    What do you really know about anything else than American politics? Thats the question stuck in my mind.. Do you know anything about Europe at all, except the world war 2 stuff which Americans keep going on about?
    Do you have any idea what Europe anno 2009 is? Do you have any idea what America anno 2009 is compared to what it was in the past and you all seem to cling onto in some desperate dream of what "America has been"?
    This retread re-quote crap is a pretty weak response to my well crafted post.

    Why even quote my post when your inane ad hominem questions have nothing to do with its content ?

    To Answer, I am a Chemist and Geneticist, also holding a minor in Philosophy and I have been all over the world, including Spain, the U.K., France, Belgium, & Holland, in addition to China Japan & Jamaica, and all over the U.S. as well, with over 190000 airmiles in my 36 years. I have studied Latin and German, and I am relatively well read and particularly conversant in the in the known History of mankind, not just the European Self Destruct of the 20's and 40's.

    So, now that my credentials are quite clear, I challenge you to comment on or attempt to rebutt the content of my post that you quoted.

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    This retread re-quote crap is a pretty weak response to my well crafted post.

    Why even quote my post when your inane ad hominem questions have nothing to do with its content ?

    To Answer, I am a Chemist and Geneticist, also holding a minor in Philosophy and I have been all over the world, including Spain, the U.K., France, Belgium, & Holland, in addition to China Japan & Jamaica, and all over the U.S. as well, with over 190000 airmiles in my 36 years. I have studied Latin and German, and I am relatively well read and particularly conversant in the in the known History of mankind, not just the European Self Destruct of the 20's and 40's.

    So, now that my credentials are quite clear, I challenge you to comment on or attempt to rebutt the content of my post that you quoted.
    Its easy.. Capitalism IS selfish, its about grabbing as much as you can for yourself, American consumerism at the level it is today is at the detriment of others, same with Europe, we are also consumers, but not as much as Americans, our consumerism is also to the detriment of others. But in Europe, we have socialism, which is all about lifting up everyone to a certain level, rather than leave the weak and gain from their weakness. Europe is about peace, and sharing. Just like we INCLUDE eastern Europe in the EU, and give from OUR pockets to help them get to the same level we are, and I think all Europeans are happy about this concept except the British.
    America is about invading a country and FORCING it to adopt American ideals, its not the same thing at all.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    You live in a fantasy world man.. The US is the second worst economy now after the UK... People are predicting your bankruptcy and collapse. The "American dream" and all it stood for is a thing of the past, and you models as idea is rather something to shy now when looking at the reality of it.
    Second worst? The US still remains one of the best economies in the world. It still attracts a hugely disproportionate level of direct foreing investment which certainly demonstrates the world's faith in the US market-based economy. I mean, if you're calling the US the second worst economy then your pool of economies must = 2.

    The European ways are now what people are seeking, European ideals of human rights and all for one and one for all, rather than all for themselves and as much as possible to the detriment of others, like in America...
    If you say so...meanwhile, all around the world we see US embassies and consulates inundated with requests to enter the country.

    I suggest you read a nice book from Jeremy Rifkin, it explains the differences between American and European visions on things, I believe it could be quite interesting to you..
    I read all sorts of books. What i don't do is read a book that conforms to my way of thinking and then press it upon others as some enlightening breakthrough...

    Nonetheless, nothing you posted bolsters your assertion that the US is not a beacon of hope.

    I'll pile on, please notice that, still, despite Bush's lack of popularity and America's image problems, the world generally acknowledges that the US must be involved in settling ME peace, must be involved in Africa, must be involved with Iran and the Norks. In other words, US credibility is still greater than that of all of Europe who sees Iran thumb it's nose at the UK, Germany, and France, kidnaps without consequence British sailors, etc.

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its easy.. Capitalism IS selfish, its about grabbing as much as you can for yourself,
    Gross caricature. Even Obama recognizes the indispensability of capitalism to gaining and holding liberty.

    But in Europe, we have socialism, which is all about lifting up everyone to a certain level, rather than leave the weak and gain from their weakness. Europe is about peace, and sharing.[/quote]

    Meanwhile, we see Muslims and North Africans rioting throughout Europe. We see the balkanization of the races throughout Europe. We see not economic equality, but economi inequality and do so despite decades of socialism being on the march across Europe.

    Just like we INCLUDE eastern Europe in the EU, and give from OUR pockets to help them get to the same level we are, and I think all Europeans are happy about this concept except the British.
    Really? Hmmm, then why was the EU forced to cover part of its new HQ artwork displaying Romania as a toilet? Nice way to include eastern Europe, . And what were the French elites saying about those easten Euro nations when they backed America's play in Iraq and Rummy characterized them as the New Europe? Such inclusive words those were!

    By the way, about giving away from your pockets, how's that working out in Spain, a nation that is nearly insolvent?

    America is about invading a country and FORCING it to adopt American ideals, its not the same thing at all.
    Really? Then how do you account for the fact that Iraq doesn't reflect American ideals? It's form of democracy doesn't even coincide with the American system of governance.

    Meanwhile, American taxpayers dole out billions every year in foreign aid and billions more in charitable giving to those around the world.

    Dude, you're living in some fantasy land.

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
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    Ehhm, the US views itself most favorably of all? And only two other above 50%.. Then there is a real big problem..

    What did NAZI Germany think about themselves for example? Or what did Soviet and what do Russia think of themselves? Thats quite interesting.. I would think all of them had and have high feelings about themselves, while the rest dislikes them.

    No matter, interesting poll. I would imagine the numbers were completely different just 15 years ago.
    With all due respect unless wecan see this poll it is meaningless. Exactly what were the questions? I'm tired of polls anyhow. Someone look up how mant polls are taken world wide every year. Too much info. is worse than none.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
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    Ehhm, the US views itself most favorably of all? And only two other above 50%.. Then there is a real big problem..

    What did NAZI Germany think about themselves for example? Or what did Soviet and what do Russia think of themselves? Thats quite interesting.. I would think all of them had and have high feelings about themselves, while the rest dislikes them.

    No matter, interesting poll. I would imagine the numbers were completely different just 15 years ago.
    Comparing the USA to Nazi Germany or the former Soviet Union is beyond absurd. But hey, since when did you ever have a coherent thought that made any sense.

    Carry on; I look forward to more of your hysterics, hyperbole, innuendo and US bashing.

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    What the hell are you talking about.. What you are saying is just racism.. Its certainly not proving any points, and certainly not in favor of your stand, which is unclear in your post..
    Maximus,
    Beware of throwing the race card around.
    Being called racist isn't a light accusation. But it seems the card has been flying about with ease during the last 18-months.

    The statement that brought your response, the one about gassing Jews for popularity was not racist, it was a damn good analogy.

    On the flip side, Bush made decisions for national security Democrats embraced (Iraq and Patriot Act), then did a 180 on for political expediency. If it brought unpopularity from abroad... so be it.
    Last I knew we haven't been attacked and Iraq has made huge progress.
    Progress many said could never be won, and would cost 6, to 10 times the lives... in a shorter period.

    I'm grateful GWB put up with the crap and kept his eye on the ball when he was getting extra helpings of excrement from his opponents and press.

    You know he didn't poll his way through his presidency seeking popularity, like 42 had.

    As for your bit about America have a crap economy?
    Read this and weep.
    http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf

    Europe's best economies would be among the bottom five in the US.

    California alone is what? The 6th largest economy.

    Japan faltered for more than a decade.
    China embraces capitalism to move forward.
    New Zealand ditched socialism for its survival.

    Again, who cares what a bunch of socialist indoctrinated, poorly educated European socialists think?
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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Did anyone else kind of get an eerie feeling watching Bush fly out? It almost felt surreal to me.

    He's gone, the dumbass is finally gone! The worst the Baby Boomers had to offer is finally back in a TX ****hole!

    Thank God, and God damn the GOP!
    down for you is up

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    Did anyone else kind of get an eerie feeling watching Bush fly out? It almost felt surreal to me.

    He's gone, the dumbass is finally gone! The worst the Baby Boomers had to offer is finally back in a TX ****hole!

    Thank God, and God damn the GOP!
    Ah yes, the age old Liberal myth that all that is bad was caused by George W. Bush and now that Obama is in charge, the Government will suddenly become more efficient, more adept at handling catastrophes, fight wars smarter, end the war on terror by patronizing despots, dictators and terrorists and knows where Osama Bin Laden is and bring him to justice.

    That same liberal myth suggest that the Government is also the ONLY entity that can end the recession and that it can only be done by super expanding the role of Government into every facet of our lives and spending us into a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit by borrowing and printing money.

    Yes folks, the cacophony on the Liberal left is astounding in its willful denial, its hyperbole, divisive partisan rhetoric and Obamanomics which requires the willful suspension of disbelief.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Poll confirms US image problem ahead of Obama debut

    There was an American on another thread who made a joke about how Israel should have killed enough Gaza civilians to match the numbers who voted for Hamas.

    And you wonder why you have an image problem?

    I'm hardly a leftie and I despise the EU but I don't feel much better about the US to be honest.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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