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    President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disaster

    Barack Obama has only four years to save the world. That is the stark assessment of Nasa scientist and leading climate expert Jim Hansen who last week warned only urgent action by the new president could halt the devastating climate change that now threatens Earth. Crucially, that action will have to be taken within Obama's first administration, he added
    President Obama 'has four years to save Earth' | Environment | The Observer

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    Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

    I think Man Made Global Warming fairy tale articles belong either in the "conspiracy theories" forum section or maybe the On the lighter side forum section.
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    Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

    IMHO,

    Four years will not make or break planet Earth.
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    Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    IMHO,

    Four years will not make or break planet Earth.
    If 8 years of Bush couldn't break the planet, then nothing can, so I am not worried.
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    Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

    But but, this is a SCIENTIST! He's predicting it, he has models, and data, and OBAMA MUST ACT!


    Guys, you're missing the point here, articles like this are used to soften the stupid public to accept the government powers that be to do wahtever the hell they want.

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    Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    But but, this is a SCIENTIST! He's predicting it, he has models, and data, and OBAMA MUST ACT!


    Guys, you're missing the point here, articles like this are used to soften the stupid public to accept the government powers that be to do wahtever the hell they want.
    Question: What is a stupid public.

    Question: Is it not a bit funny that whenever a President does not do anything it is considered a "lame-duck administration" but if he tries to use his power then he's considered, by someone, a dictator (or whatever synonym one wishes to use.)

    Question: Is it better to debate the validity of the scientists' findings, or confide in the scientist and debate what action should be taken.

    Reflective Statement: I don't understand why every-time someone tries to rant about the, apparent, crucifixion of the environment another has to make an example of him and label him as a psycho.

    Question: What is the different between someone who is passionate on a topic, and someone who is crazy on one.
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    Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

    Perhaps IF Obama were to be in charge after Tuesday 21st January 2009, he might just might be able to act on this Scientists warning.
    Unfortunately he will have little to no control over three people who actually wield the Power in Congress.
    Pelosi
    Waxman
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    Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Question: What is a stupid public.
    A stupid public is one that let's itself be run off a cliff chasing after a phantom.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Question: Is it not a bit funny that whenever a President does not do anything it is considered a "lame-duck administration" but if he tries to use his power then he's considered, by someone, a dictator (or whatever synonym one wishes to use.)
    Depends on what they are doing. Reagan pushed for and defeated the USSR in part, because he forced them to respond to America, to the specter of America having military superiority. They collapsed because they chased their fears. Much as we suffered from 76-80 under Carter, a President with little to his name.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Question: Is it better to debate the validity of the scientists' findings, or confide in the scientist and debate what action should be taken.
    Science requires honesty, James Hansen is not an honest scientist. He's a career opportunist, he lied about being muffled by the Bush Administration, and the following article if you read spells out quite nicely Hansen and the problem with people like him.
    his is not just a controversy about putting restrictions on scientists who give public speeches or interviews. It is, more deeply, a controversy about the responsibilities of scientists whose technical knowledge gives them enormous authority in modern society. Government scientists, especially—accountable to no electorate, but in positions of public trust—must wield that authority with utmost circumspection.

    The Hansen affair is also yet another example of the limits of science to settle policy questions: Knowing the facts, which themselves are often in dispute, does not settle the best course of action. How much economic pain are we willing to endure to prevent the potential dangers of global warming? To what extent are we willing to limit freedom and expand the regulatory power of government to reduce greenhouse gases? How do environmental concerns relate to other urgent problems, whether the looming crisis of entitlements or the threat of a nuclear Iran? Many scientists, experts in their own sub-disciplines, come to think that the “crisis” they know best is the only crisis that matters, and they demand that all “enlightened” politicians govern accordingly. But in reality, democracy, informed by science but not ruled by it, is more enlightened than scientists alone. This fact is often forgotten amid all the endless chatter about “politicizing science.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Reflective Statement: I don't understand why every-time someone tries to rant about the, apparent, crucifixion of the environment another has to make an example of him and label him as a psycho.
    Hansen has an agenda, and "the sky is falling" ranting of folks like him are dangerous. He's pushing more then science, he's pushing a personal and political agenda with serious consequences for us all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Question: What is the different between someone who is passionate on a topic, and someone who is crazy on one.
    Passion and Crazy are two sides of the same coin, and a deeply philosophical discussion to undertake. Passion can be carried too far, and crazy can be a lame excuse of others to ignore anothers passion.

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    Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

    The main threat to Global Climate Change is the slowing or stopping of the gulf warming stream from what I have seen.

    I don't see any evidence that this would happen within the next 8 years. The best evidence I have seen is it could happen within 100-200 years given current situation and maybe slightly shortened if it escalades.

    Is Global Climate change important? Yes.

    However it is also just as important to find out what part humans have in it for sure. The science is still out on that one. Maybe in another decade we will find more.

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    Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    But but, this is a SCIENTIST! He's predicting it, he has models, and data, and OBAMA MUST ACT!


    Guys, you're missing the point here, articles like this are used to soften the stupid public to accept the government powers that be to do wahtever the hell they want.
    LOL... That's OK for majority of Libs. They're like a nice quilt... thick and soft.

    Soft on terrorism, terrorists, National Defense... and have a soft spot for socialism. This is just another quiver in their socialist agenda.

    Thick... as a brick.

    How else can you embrace an absolute rookie who's idea of for a campaign is "Change and Hope"... without clarification of what both mean? You've got to be both soft and thick.

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