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President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disaster

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Barack Obama has only four years to save the world. That is the stark assessment of Nasa scientist and leading climate expert Jim Hansen who last week warned only urgent action by the new president could halt the devastating climate change that now threatens Earth. Crucially, that action will have to be taken within Obama's first administration, he added

President Obama 'has four years to save Earth' | Environment | The Observer

FOUR YEARS OR WE'RE ALL DOOMED!

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Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

I think Man Made Global Warming fairy tale articles belong either in the "conspiracy theories" forum section or maybe the On the lighter side forum section.
 
Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

IMHO,

Four years will not make or break planet Earth.
 
Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

IMHO,

Four years will not make or break planet Earth.

If 8 years of Bush couldn't break the planet, then nothing can, so I am not worried.
 
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Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

But but, this is a SCIENTIST! He's predicting it, he has models, and data, and OBAMA MUST ACT!


Guys, you're missing the point here, articles like this are used to soften the stupid public to accept the government powers that be to do wahtever the hell they want.
 
Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

But but, this is a SCIENTIST! He's predicting it, he has models, and data, and OBAMA MUST ACT!


Guys, you're missing the point here, articles like this are used to soften the stupid public to accept the government powers that be to do wahtever the hell they want.

Question: What is a stupid public.

Question: Is it not a bit funny that whenever a President does not do anything it is considered a "lame-duck administration" but if he tries to use his power then he's considered, by someone, a dictator (or whatever synonym one wishes to use.)

Question: Is it better to debate the validity of the scientists' findings, or confide in the scientist and debate what action should be taken.

Reflective Statement: I don't understand why every-time someone tries to rant about the, apparent, crucifixion of the environment another has to make an example of him and label him as a psycho.

Question: What is the different between someone who is passionate on a topic, and someone who is crazy on one.
 
Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

Perhaps IF Obama were to be in charge after Tuesday 21st January 2009, he might just might be able to act on this Scientists warning.
Unfortunately he will have little to no control over three people who actually wield the Power in Congress.
Pelosi
Waxman
Frank.
 
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Question: What is a stupid public.
A stupid public is one that let's itself be run off a cliff chasing after a phantom.
Question: Is it not a bit funny that whenever a President does not do anything it is considered a "lame-duck administration" but if he tries to use his power then he's considered, by someone, a dictator (or whatever synonym one wishes to use.)
Depends on what they are doing. Reagan pushed for and defeated the USSR in part, because he forced them to respond to America, to the specter of America having military superiority. They collapsed because they chased their fears. Much as we suffered from 76-80 under Carter, a President with little to his name.

Question: Is it better to debate the validity of the scientists' findings, or confide in the scientist and debate what action should be taken.

Science requires honesty, James Hansen is not an honest scientist. He's a career opportunist, he lied about being muffled by the Bush Administration, and the following article if you read spells out quite nicely Hansen and the problem with people like him.
his is not just a controversy about putting restrictions on scientists who give public speeches or interviews. It is, more deeply, a controversy about the responsibilities of scientists whose technical knowledge gives them enormous authority in modern society. Government scientists, especially—accountable to no electorate, but in positions of public trust—must wield that authority with utmost circumspection.

The Hansen affair is also yet another example of the limits of science to settle policy questions: Knowing the facts, which themselves are often in dispute, does not settle the best course of action. How much economic pain are we willing to endure to prevent the potential dangers of global warming? To what extent are we willing to limit freedom and expand the regulatory power of government to reduce greenhouse gases? How do environmental concerns relate to other urgent problems, whether the looming crisis of entitlements or the threat of a nuclear Iran? Many scientists, experts in their own sub-disciplines, come to think that the “crisis” they know best is the only crisis that matters, and they demand that all “enlightened” politicians govern accordingly. But in reality, democracy, informed by science but not ruled by it, is more enlightened than scientists alone. This fact is often forgotten amid all the endless chatter about “politicizing science.”
The New Atlantis » Censoring Scientists?


Reflective Statement: I don't understand why every-time someone tries to rant about the, apparent, crucifixion of the environment another has to make an example of him and label him as a psycho.

Hansen has an agenda, and "the sky is falling" ranting of folks like him are dangerous. He's pushing more then science, he's pushing a personal and political agenda with serious consequences for us all.

Question: What is the different between someone who is passionate on a topic, and someone who is crazy on one.

Passion and Crazy are two sides of the same coin, and a deeply philosophical discussion to undertake. Passion can be carried too far, and crazy can be a lame excuse of others to ignore anothers passion.
 
Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

The main threat to Global Climate Change is the slowing or stopping of the gulf warming stream from what I have seen.

I don't see any evidence that this would happen within the next 8 years. The best evidence I have seen is it could happen within 100-200 years given current situation and maybe slightly shortened if it escalades.

Is Global Climate change important? Yes.

However it is also just as important to find out what part humans have in it for sure. The science is still out on that one. Maybe in another decade we will find more.
 
Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

But but, this is a SCIENTIST! He's predicting it, he has models, and data, and OBAMA MUST ACT!


Guys, you're missing the point here, articles like this are used to soften the stupid public to accept the government powers that be to do wahtever the hell they want.

LOL... That's OK for majority of Libs. They're like a nice quilt... thick and soft.

Soft on terrorism, terrorists, National Defense... and have a soft spot for socialism. This is just another quiver in their socialist agenda.

Thick... as a brick.

How else can you embrace an absolute rookie who's idea of for a campaign is "Change and Hope"... without clarification of what both mean? You've got to be both soft and thick.
 
Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

I wonder if they've accounted for the economic collapse in their dooms day projection. Falling demand may impact their models significantly. Especially if the economic crisis continues for years. Destroy the economy, save the planet. Bush, the greatest Enviro ever!
 
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I stopped reading this comedy skit when these words appeared,"Only the US has the political muscle to lead the world and halt the rise." If there is one person in this forum that believes that then let that person rise and speak after all I have not heard a good joke since Henny Youngman died.
 
Re: President 'has four years to save Earth' US must take the lead to avert eco-disas

LOL... That's OK for majority of Libs. They're like a nice quilt... thick and soft.

Soft on terrorism, terrorists, National Defense... and have a soft spot for socialism. This is just another quiver in their socialist agenda.

Thick... as a brick.

How else can you embrace an absolute rookie who's idea of for a campaign is "Change and Hope"... without clarification of what both mean? You've got to be both soft and thick.

The same way you can embrace a candidate who ran on the campaign of "Look how much like a normal person I am" or "The Maverick", I mean... seriously? "The Straight-Talk Express"?

"Soft on terrorism" doesn't make sense. You apparently do not understand what "terrorism" is. You use the term "socialism" to see the Maoist, or Leninist results, but what you never understand is that it's not a straight line (the political spectrum) it is more of a circle. The equivalent of a socialist on the right-side (possible fundamentalist, depending on how poorly you are actually using the spectrum) is the same distance away from centrist, and the same away from totalitarian. The difference between a Communist (not the Marx sense of Communism, but maoism, etc.) and a Fascism is two guns and one hydrogen bomb.
 
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A stupid public is one that let's itself be run off a cliff chasing after a phantom.
Well said, but I don't think an environmentalist is running a nation off of it's plateau. To deny the effects of pollution on the environment is ridiculous.

Depends on what they are doing. Reagan pushed for and defeated the USSR in part, because he forced them to respond to America, to the specter of America having military superiority. They collapsed because they chased their fears. Much as we suffered from 76-80 under Carter, a President with little to his name.
Don't give Reagan credit for that. The USSR was falling before Reagan was in office. You need to do some clarification on this. 1) Whose "they". 2) What do you mean by chased? Chased, trying to hunt down and destroy, or chased as in following right behind i.e. in pursuit.


Science requires honesty, James Hansen is not an honest scientist. He's a career opportunist, he lied about being muffled by the Bush Administration, and the following article if you read spells out quite nicely Hansen and the problem with people like him.
The New Atlantis » Censoring Scientists?

I've never read that article. Thanks.
Most legit occupations require honesty. However, a problem is that very rarely, in personal or professional life, is a person actually honest-- not trying to call anyone a liar, just saying that some feel it is best to not cause harm with a white-lie, then be truthful and decimate someone.

Hansen has an agenda, and "the sky is falling" ranting of folks like him are dangerous. He's pushing more then science, he's pushing a personal and political agenda with serious consequences for us all.

Without he has an agenda, and he is tainting the well--those whom are passionate about their duty to their environment. I do not think the best thing to do is to cast aside every scientist with an unfortunate reputation. Regardless of how honest they are, they may have an underlying point. Even Hitler, as disgusting as his beliefs were, had a point that needed attention drawn to it.



Passion and Crazy are two sides of the same coin, and a deeply philosophical discussion to undertake. Passion can be carried too far, and crazy can be a lame excuse of others to ignore anothers passion.

I agree wholeheartedly. I think passion is essential to every field of study and work. The next time I have a pizza and there is no passion in it, I am going to throw up-- it is extremely easy to tell with a dough tosser doesn't give a sh!t or the baker has no feeling in it, or the preparation chef has no attention to detail-- no love for the ingredients. It is absolutely tragic.
 
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