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Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

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Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire
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JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Militants fired six rockets into southern Israel and exchanged gunfire with troops in northern Gaza Sunday, hours after Israel declared a unilateral cease-fire in the Palestinian territory, an Israeli spokesman said. The Qassam rockets were fired into Sderot at 9 a.m. -- seven hours after Israel's cease-fire went into effect. The rockets did not injure anyone, and Israeli aircrafts destroyed the rocket launcher soon afterward, an Israeli military spokesman said.

At 2 a.m. Sunday, Israel declared a cease-fire in Gaza. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel was prepared to respond if Hamas militants continue fighting in Gaza. “If foes decide to continue to fight against us, then we will be ready and we shall consider ourselves justified in replying,” he said.

Hamas leaders responded, saying they did not consider Olmert's declaration a cease-fire as long as Israeli troops remain in the Palestinian territory. Islamic Jihad, an extremist group operating in Gaza and listed as a terrorist organization by several governments, said the cease-fire was an Israeli decision that will not impact its actions.
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Source: CNN.com

Almost every nation and the UN has called for a mutual ceasefire. Since any mutuality between Israel and Hamas seems to be impossible, Israel unilaterally declared an Israeli ceasefire to begin at 2am Sunday local time.

According to Hamas and Islamic Jihad leaders however, there can be no ceasefire until the IDF withdraws from Gaza. At the same time though, they provide no mechanism to allow for a peaceful and non-violent IDF withdrawal.

Once again, to the detriment of all Gazan's, their leadership spurns an opportunity to end the violence within the Strip. Not only that, but their leadership continues to engage in the exact same aggression (missile attacks on Israeli civilians) that initiated the war in the first place.

It seems to me that Hamas ideology places more importance on the value of Pan-Arabic propaganda (Our military was triumphant!) than it does on ending the violence within the territory it supposedly governs. The imagined ends - Hamas victory! - are vastly more important than the real means - sacrificing the people and infrastructure of Gaza.

There is no mutuality here. There is no Hamas reciprosity to the Israeli ceasefire. Israel has opted to end the violence. Hamas continues to attack.

Unqualified arrogance and unbounded ignorance. Very sad.
 
Time for Israel to take off the gloves and do everything it can to destroy Hamas. Sorry for the civilians, but anyone who can't see that Hamas is to blame for this simply has no sense of perspective or justice.
 
Israel should continue with their aggressive stance in Gaza until Hamas no longer exists...one way or the other. If non-Hamas Palestinians want this to stop, they need to do something about it. Either do what they can to get rid of Hamas themselves, or assist Israel in doing it. If they do not, then their silence makes them complicit co-conspirators. Any civilian deaths are on Hamas's hands, not Israel's.

Israel needs to end this once and for all.
 
Because the terrorist strategy is working. Hamas is waging a propaganda battle. No matter what Hamas does Israel is getting the blame for all the problems. Right now Hamas does not want a cease fire. Hamas does not have to worry about becoming unpopular because they already are and they do not care about the civilian casualties. In fact they want more.

All the negative publicity that Israel is getting just makes Hamas's day.
All they have to do is keep launching the occasional rocket to keep the pot stirred and gain more negative publicity for Israel.

moe
 
This exposes the fraud that Hamas has perpetrated against the international community and its own people.
 
Shayah said:
This exposes the fraud that Hamas has perpetrated against the international community and its own people.
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The only people this could possibly surprise are the anti-Israeli, Hamas-Palestinian apologetics.
 
I'm sure the vaunted UN will be along any minute now to issue a condemnation of Hamas's actions.
 
Idiot Hamas
WTH is wrong with them? :doh
 
Ooh, wait a second Tash. I just found this.

Hamas announces ceasefire and gives Israel one week to leave Gaza - Times Online

Hamas has raised the diplomatic stakes in the Gaza Strip by announcing its own ceasefire today — hours after Israel called a "unilateral" halt to the fighting.

In a decision designed to throw the international focus back on Israel, the Islamists said that they would halt all rocket attacks on the country for a week, but that the attacks would resume if Israel failed to pull its troops out of the territory during that time.

In Cairo, where international talks on a truce deal are continuing, a Hamas official was quoted as saying that the ceasefire also hinged on Israel's decision to open all of Gaza's blockaded border crossings to allow in food and other goods.

“Hamas and the factions announce a ceasefire in Gaza starting immediately and give Israel a week to withdraw,” Ayman Taha, a Hamas official, said.
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So Israel has 1 week of peace from rockets apparentley and to leave Gaza before rockets get sent out.
 
ludahai said:
Time for Israel to take off the gloves and do everything it can to destroy Hamas. Sorry for the civilians, but anyone who can't see that Hamas is to blame for this simply has no sense of perspective or justice.
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I am satisfied with Israels response to the immediate violation,on the part of Hamas,to the Isareli,"cease fire/olive branch". As to Israel not getting out of Gaza...,these guys have learned something,"its time to stay...the course".
 
Laila said:
Ooh, wait a second Tash. I just found this.

Hamas announces ceasefire and gives Israel one week to leave Gaza - Times Online

So Israel has 1 week of peace from rockets apparentley and to leave Gaza before rockets get sent out.
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Thanks Laila.

With its unilateral ceasefire early this morning, Israel forced Hamas to either respond in-kind, or take a PR beating. It's a chess game of brinksmanship.

This raises the questions....

What happens after one week? Does the ceasefire endure? Will Hamas fire more missiles after the IDF withdraws? Will Israel open the border crossings she controls? Will Hamas continue to smuggle weapons into Gaza? Who will monitor compliance? What if Joe Schmoe fires a mortar or rocket? Will this lead to further talks? Will Hamas release kidnapped IDF Cpl. Shalit?

Many questions. Few answers at this point.
 
Cardinal said:
Do you suppose that if Israel obeys this ultimatum, Hamas will not fire rockets any longer?
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I don't know.
I think Hamas has achieved the goals it wanted in this conflict tbh, it has made Israel come off as bad. Hence why it said 'In a decision designed to throw the international focus back on Israel, the Islamists said that they would halt all rocket attacks on the country'
 
A couple of things.


1. if there are no rocket attacks for a week, this clearly shows the operational command of hammas and thier control over these attacks.


2. this further legitimizes Israel's opertation here as they had targeted the hostile forces.

3. will this cease fire last a week?

4. how many rockets after this cease fire will it take for Israel to defend herself from now on?
 
Laila said:
I don't know.
I think Hamas has achieved the goals it wanted in this conflict tbh, it has made Israel come off as bad. Hence why it said 'In a decision designed to throw the international focus back on Israel, the Islamists said that they would halt all rocket attacks on the country'
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Nonsense. Israel is already bad to certain people. The rest of us saw israels right to defend herself.
 
Tashah said:
Thanks Laila.

With its unilateral ceasefire early this morning, Israel forced Hamas to either respond in-kind, or take a PR beating. It's a chess game of brinksmanship.

This raises the questions....

What happens after one week? Does the ceasefire endure? Will Hamas fire more missiles after the IDF withdraws? Will Israel open the border crossings she controls? Will Hamas continue to smuggle weapons into Gaza? Who will monitor compliance? What if Joe Schmoe fires a mortar or rocket? Will this lead to further talks? Will Hamas release kidnapped IDF Cpl. Shalit?

Many questions. Few answers at this point.
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You know the answers my friend, hell we all know them. Its just some wont allow them selves to see the replay of history that been taking place year after year after year.

Things may quite down in Gaza, Israel will leave, the Hamas will storm in declaring Gaza an Islamic state again, an Israeli solider will fart near a copy of the Koran that will send the militants into a mentally challenged moment.
(What am I talking about, these people live in a mental state) and the rockets will resume.
 
Tashah said:
Thanks Laila.

With its unilateral ceasefire early this morning, Israel forced Hamas to either respond in-kind, or take a PR beating. It's a chess game of brinksmanship.

This raises the questions....

What happens after one week? Does the ceasefire endure? Will Hamas fire more missiles after the IDF withdraws? Will Israel open the border crossings she controls? Will Hamas continue to smuggle weapons into Gaza? Who will monitor compliance? What if Joe Schmoe fires a mortar or rocket? Will this lead to further talks? Will Hamas release kidnapped IDF Cpl. Shalit?

Many questions. Few answers at this point.
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No idea, i thought the break was to allow humanitarian aid and to try and come up with a longer ceasefire.

Israel should open it but just oversee it to ensure nothing goes through that is not meant to.
Whether Hamas smuggles depends on Egypt and Iran. UK and some other European countries has offered to monitor ships and weapons, whether Israel accepts it remains to be seen. Egypt has tho refused to allow soldiers on its border. Guess we have to wait and see for the answers for the rest
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
The rest of us saw israels right to defend herself.
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Every country has the right to defend itself but likewise it does not have the right nor should be supported if it leads to huge bloodshed.

If UK started bombarding Ireland and killed 1,000 irish people. I highly doubt people would be singing our praise and same for any other country in the world. Israel is no different
 
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Laila said:
Every country has the right to defend itself but likewise it does not have the right nor should be supported if it leads to huge bloodshed.

If UK started bombarding Ireland and killed 1,000 irish people. I highly doubt people would be singing our praise and same for any other country in the world. Israel is no different
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Are you saying that a nation has a right to defend itself, but only up to a point? If that's what you meant, then where do you draw the line?
 
Well of course a nation has the right to defend itself but Israel took it way too far, it was bad enough with the air campaign but then invading the most heavily populated area knowing that high civilian casulties was inevitable?
It seemed pretty stupid to drop leaflets, i mean honestley. Where are you supposed to run to? Gaza was locked in and Soldiers was in almost every direction
 
Laila said:
Well of course a nation has the right to defend itself but Israel took it way too far, it was bad enough with the air campaign but then invading the most heavily populated area knowing that high civilian casulties was inevitable?
It seemed pretty stupid to drop leaflets, i mean honestley. Where are you supposed to run to? Gaza was locked in and Soldiers was in almost every direction
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Okay, so how far is too far? How would you feel if the situation was reversed?
 
Moon said:
Okay, so how far is too far? How would you feel if the situation was reversed?
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I know people keep banging on about proportionality but that is what worried me. It seems to me Israel went ape**** and started collective punishment.

If it was me being rained down with rockets? I don't know but i hope i would stick with my view that the answer to this conflict will not come out of military power.
 
Laila said:
If UK started bombarding Ireland and killed 1,000 irish people. I highly doubt people would be singing our praise and same for any other country in the world. Israel is no different
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Here is something that most Westerners do not quite grasp. War in the ME is not equitable to what those in the West understand as war. Never has been. No quarter is asked and none is given. Over 1,000,000 deaths and casualties in the Iraq/Iran war. 20,000 civilians killed in a Syrian city attacked by the Syrian military. The religious inspired civil wars wars in Lebanon. What Iraqi forces did in Kuwait City, the extremely bloody pre-partition violence between Arabs and Jews in the British Mandate of Palestine, etc. etc.

I tend to think this mindset stems from the ancient scripture of both Muslims and Jews. In both the Torah and Qu'ran, there is endemnic violence on an unprecidented scale. This mindset persists to this day in a region that is soaked in religion and bad memories.

I'm not excusing this, I'm just telling it like it is. It is folly to expect ME wars to mirror wars waged in the West. Perhaps and hopefully, this will change someday.
 
Laila said:
I know people keep banging on about proportionality but that is what worried me. It seems to me Israel went ape**** and started collective punishment.

If it was me being rained down with rockets? I don't know but i hope i would stick with my view that the answer to this conflict will not come out of military power.
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Thanks for the reply.

My view is that no one has ever won a war by meeting force with a proportionally equivalent force. You win by using more force than your enemy brings.

The full answer may not come from military force, but it will hopefully send the message that Israel will use overwhelming force to protect itself, and maybe that will be enough for cooler and smarter heads to prevail. On both sides.
 
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