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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I know we have trade and peace agreements with our neighbors, it still does not change the fact that if America was in Israel's situation and our politicians waited to retaliate then there would be some politicians out of a job.
    Yes, some politicians may be out of a job, but that would be during the next election time. (PS - The US waited a year a half after 9/11 before deploying troops into the ME)

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    Apparently that is what Hamas and their apologist think. Launching mortars into Israeli neighborhoods will not get you a response.
    And what response did Israel expect when they took the preemptive approach to Hamas obtaining a majority of seats in Palestine's parliament? Israel pushed for elections to oust more Fatah members. Israel indirectly funded Hamas for 20 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Not all Hamas terrorist are "militants and a majority of those 1,390,000 civilians support Hamas. IF civilians want to use themselves as human shields then they have no one to complain to about being blown up.
    Majority of civilians in the Gaza Strip are under the age of 14. That's at least 750,000 pre-teens. Who raises there voice for them?

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    The Gaza strip is not one city.
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    So are you telling the one million refugees who rely on UN aid in Gaza to go to live elsewhere and survive off the land? If you have never been to the Gaza Strip, then I can see why you'd suggest such ridiculous things. UN facilities become refuge centers during these conflicts and civilians still die in large numbers.

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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    No You Don't.

    It has been explained so many times in this thread, in so many ways. When you use the people of an area as human shields, you are responsible for their lost lives, not the army that is trying to get at you.

    The Palestinians should capitulate. They lost, and now they are supporting guerilla warfare to try and keep the fight on. Their lives are their own to waste.

    Oh, so because Hamas does something, civilians give up there right as protected persons? That is what you are insinuating.

    Show me this exception:
    Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War

    I suggest you read the beginning of Article 4:
    Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals.
    Regardless of what any side does, civilians are still protected persons under IHL

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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Oh, so because Hamas does something, civilians give up there right as protected persons? That is what you are insinuating.

    Show me this exception:
    Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War

    I suggest you read the beginning of Article 4:


    Regardless of what any side does, civilians are still protected persons under IHL
    This is why Hamas should be charged with human rights violations towards their own citizens.
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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is why Hamas should be charged with human rights violations towards their own citizens.
    I agree, but by who?

    Just an off-topic question for you: Do you think the assassination of Yassin was proper?

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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Do I need to be a soldier to see that an army deploying tanks, planes and helicopters, and killing 1,200+ people is "taking the gloves off"?

    What else could they have done? Carpet-bomb Gaza? Flamethrowers? Nukes?
    Taking the gloves off is to kill all indiscriminantely to get at Hamas targets. Wipe them out. Israel has exercised EXTREME restraint this far. Time to take the gloves off and root out Hamas once and for all.
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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    I agree, but by who?
    Same people that some want charging Israel with human rights violations.

    Just an off-topic question for you: Do you think the assassination of Yassin was proper?
    Who was Yassin?
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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Same people that some want charging Israel with human rights violations.
    That would be the UN/ICJ. Don't think anyone would even be charged with anything.
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    Who was Yassin?
    Ahmed Yassin, co-founder of Hamas.

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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    That would be the UN/ICJ. Don't think anyone would even be charged with anything.
    That's what I assumed. To both the "who" and the "if". Hamas should.

    Ahmed Yassin, co-founder of Hamas.
    Oh, for a moment I thought you meant Der Yassin, and I thought, "what does that have to do with this?"

    I am not overly thrilled with the policy of assassination. Tends to make martyrs out of these leaders. He should never have been released from prison. Never. He did not distinguish between Israeli's and Jews, and had a hand in ordering many suicide bombings. I would have imprisoned him forever, and prevented him from sending out any of his rhetoric, but I am not sorry he was killed.
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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That's what I assumed. To both the "who" and the "if". Hamas should.



    Oh, for a moment I thought you meant Der Yassin, and I thought, "what does that have to do with this?"

    I am not overly thrilled with the policy of assassination. Tends to make martyrs out of these leaders.
    A dead terrorist is still a dead terrorist, Most likely the only virgins he will see are these.



    He should never have been released from prison. Never. He did not distinguish between Israeli's and Jews, and had a hand in ordering many suicide bombings. I would have imprisoned him forever, and prevented him from sending out any of his rhetoric, but I am not sorry he was killed.
    Seeing how Israel eventually caves to terrorist demands, he would have eventual been released. Killing him ensures that he will never be released.
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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    It doesn't bother anyone that he's a paraplegic confined to a wheelchair with partially blind eyesight?

    When I saw the aftermath of the assassination I was almost disgusted.

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