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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I know people keep banging on about proportionality but that is what worried me. It seems to me Israel went ape**** and started collective punishment.

    If it was me being rained down with rockets? I don't know but i hope i would stick with my view that the answer to this conflict will not come out of military power.
    I do not agree. Collective punishment is a PR tool used by Hamas militants who do not want to live with the consequences of their actions.

    If not for Hamas, the whole conflict would never have occurred.

    All of the blood in Gaza is on Hamas' hands.
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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    ...isn't it what they said like 3 weeks ago?

    you can see the result of this policy in the first post of this thread
    You think the past three weeks is "taking the gloves off?" Do you have ANY military experience whatsoever?
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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You think the past three weeks is "taking the gloves off?" Do you have ANY military experience whatsoever?
    Do I need to be a soldier to see that an army deploying tanks, planes and helicopters, and killing 1,200+ people is "taking the gloves off"?

    What else could they have done? Carpet-bomb Gaza? Flamethrowers? Nukes?

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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Time for Israel to take off the gloves and do everything it can to destroy Hamas. Sorry for the civilians, but anyone who can't see that Hamas is to blame for this simply has no sense of perspective or justice.
    I agree The only thing these one sided ceasefires do is prolonging the conflict. Israel should exterminate Hamas like the roaches they are. If politicians on our sided waited as long as Israel did before retaliating they would be out of job.
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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    I saw your post for what it was, a pathetic excuse for excessive violence. "Our neighbors do it, so we must do it too. We're right though and they're wrong." You may think it was insightful and enlightening but it really just shows your arrogance and unwillingness to keep your country to the standards of its peers.
    So Israel should just kill the same amount of civilians that Hamas did and leave?

    Proportionality in warfare is a load of horse crap. If someone was in Mexico or Canada launching random attacks at civilian areas into the US
    like Hamas did with Israel, I would hope our government would use anything they can and as quickly as they can with the least amount of risk to our military to turn those who attack us into **** stains on the sidewalk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Well of course a nation has the right to defend itself but Israel took it way too far, it was bad enough with the air campaign but then invading the most heavily populated area knowing that high civilian casulties was inevitable?
    If Hamas is still attacking then Israel didn't go far enough.



    It seemed pretty stupid to drop leaflets, i mean honestley.
    I agree,why let the enemy know where you are going to attack. If you see some guy on a roof top launching mortars and what ever else they can at another country then wouldn't logic dictate that other country target that area where that guy fired mortars from?

    Where are you supposed to run to? Gaza was locked in and Soldiers was in almost every direction
    Seeing how Hamas likes launching attacks from populated areas then logic would dictate that you stay away from populated areas.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    I saw your post for what it was, a pathetic excuse for excessive violence. "Our neighbors do it, so we must do it too. We're right though and they're wrong." You may think it was insightful and enlightening but it really just shows your arrogance and unwillingness to keep your country to the standards of its peers.
    No. What you did is what you always do. Attack Israel. Her post was nothing of the kind that you claim. You projected your biased agenda on it. That's the truth of the matter.
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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So Israel should just kill the same amount of civilians that Hamas did and leave?
    He never said that.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Proportionality in warfare is a load of horse crap. If someone was in Mexico or Canada launching random attacks at civilian areas into the US
    like Hamas did with Israel, I would hope our government would use anything they can and as quickly as they can with the least amount of risk to our military to turn those who attack us into **** stains on the sidewalk.
    America would not know how to respond to neighbors it has many peace and trade agreements with. It's not even a comparable analogy.

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    If Hamas is still attacking then Israel didn't go far enough.
    If you instigate conflict, don't expect a backlash.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I agree,why let the enemy know where you are going to attack. If you see some guy on a roof top launching mortars and what ever else they can at another country then wouldn't logic dictate that other country target that area where that guy fired mortars from?
    Because Israel knows that 10,000 Hamas militants can divide up nice between the rest of the 1,390,000 civilians. During times of war you have to respect civilian lives regardless.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how Hamas likes launching attacks from populated areas then logic would dictate that you stay away from populated areas.
    Show me areas in Gaza that are not populated. Show me areas in Gaza that are uninhabited.

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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    ...isn't it what they said like 3 weeks ago?

    you can see the result of this policy in the first post of this thread
    Except they didn't follow through.
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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    He never said that.
    America would not know how to respond to neighbors it has many peace and trade agreements with. It's not even a comparable analogy.
    I know we have trade and peace agreements with our neighbors, it still does not change the fact that if America was in Israel's situation and our politicians waited to retaliate then there would be some politicians out of a job.
    If you instigate conflict, don't expect a backlash.
    Apparently that is what Hamas and their apologist think. Launching mortars into Israeli neighborhoods will not get you a response.

    Because Israel knows that 10,000 Hamas militants can divide up nice between the rest of the 1,390,000 civilians. During times of war you have to respect civilian lives regardless.
    Not all Hamas terrorist are "militants and a majority of those 1,390,000 civilians support Hamas. IF civilians want to use themselves as human shields then they have no one to complain to about being blown up.

    Show me areas in Gaza that are not populated. Show me areas in Gaza that are uninhabited.
    The Gaza strip is not one city.
    Gaza Strip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Militants fire rockets into Israel after cease-fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Because Israel knows that 10,000 Hamas militants can divide up nice between the rest of the 1,390,000 civilians. During times of war you have to respect civilian lives regardless.
    No You Don't.

    It has been explained so many times in this thread, in so many ways. When you use the people of an area as human shields, you are responsible for their lost lives, not the army that is trying to get at you.

    The Palestinians should capitulate. They lost, and now they are supporting guerilla warfare to try and keep the fight on. Their lives are their own to waste.

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