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Airbus takes top planemaking spot

This begs the question, can it take on a flock of geese. Sorry, bad joke.
Back to topic, Airbus and Boeing make exceptional planes, may the best win and hopefully this will spur even better products from both lines as pride and competitive forces take over.
 
Blackdog said:
"We have a backlog of around 3700 orders and we feel we are well posititioned going into 2009 and beyond," a Boeing spokesman told the BBC."

Hmmm I wonder if the strike had anything to do with this. :2wave:

Funny how Boeing can do it without being subsidized by the government.

There's been a lot of news coverage lately about the controversy surrounding the subsidies Airbus receives to develop its airplanes.

The issue is really simple: Boeing assumes full market risk every time we develop a new airplane. Airbus does not. - Boeing Frontiers Online
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DOG ,there isn`t a thing wrong with,"The Union of Socialist Europeans" being sibsidized by a communist leaning government...The EU (EU...meaning whats that smell).By the way its all comeing to a neighborhood near all of US,and in many many cases its already been here for years and years.
 
Who needs an airplane to have sex?
 
Rodney said:
DOG ,there isn`t a thing wrong with,"The Union of Socialist Europeans" being sibsidized by a communist leaning government...The EU (EU...meaning whats that smell).By the way its all comeing to a neighborhood near all of US,and in many many cases its already been here for years and years.
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Airbus isnt subsidies by the EU, its subsidies by France, the UK, Spain and Germany. In particular France.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Airbus isnt subsidies by the EU, its subsidies by France, the UK, Spain and Germany. In particular France.
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In fact the EU does not support and wants to end the subsidies given by the countries mentioned above.

Both airlines are heavily subsidised. Boeing gets almost exclusively all orders from the US Airforce, and when they dont, the US congress will do anything make sure they do.

Airbus gets subsidies from certain European countries.

And Airbus has taken the top spot for many years if I remember right.
 
PeteEU said:
In fact the EU does not support and wants to end the subsidies given by the countries mentioned above.

Both airlines are heavily subsidised. Boeing gets almost exclusively all orders from the US Airforce, and when they dont, the US congress will do anything make sure they do.

Airbus gets subsidies from certain European countries.

And Airbus has taken the top spot for many years if I remember right.
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Yep they have..

Amazing all the commotion just the other month when Airbus received a large contract from the US military. Boeing was crying in their offices and asked uncle sam to do something, so now the airforce is being pressured to cancel with Airbus and take a Boeing contract instead.
:lol:

I believe it was for transportation planes or something. Huge 10+ billion contract.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Yep they have..

Amazing all the commotion just the other month when Airbus received a large contract from the US military. Boeing was crying in their offices and asked uncle sam to do something, so now the airforce is being pressured to cancel with Airbus and take a Boeing contract instead.
:lol:

I believe it was for transportation planes or something. Huge 10+ billion contract.
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Was for tanker planes.

And they still trying to stop the British owned company from providing the next helicopter for the US President..........
 
PeteEU said:
Was for tanker planes.

And they still trying to stop the British owned company from providing the next helicopter for the US President..........
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But hey, dont tell any Americans on this forum that they are socialists who actually subsidize their own businesses.
Dont even tell them the reasons why Microsoft is still the biggest software company, because they think it is because of free competition, they would be shocked to learn the truth. Dont either criticize their elections and the neo-politics(which lacks politics).
Because Americans are right, because they are democratic and free(which no one else is :roll:), and fight terrorism. Thats what they do, and everyone who do not share their view is wrong.

:lol:
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
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That there is almost just beautiful... What a fantastic plane :mrgreen:

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I do however like the wing shape of the 787.. But the plane is tiny..

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The huge one is the a380 while the "little one" on the left is the Boeing 787..

Look how tiny the other ones look.. :shock:
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The 380 is right out of the Commi handbook.
Make it really big... the biggest.
Make it so big that runways have to be rebuilt to allow it to land.
Make it huge so people can wait even longer to board and disembark.

The 380 is so huge the market for the plane is limited.

Was this a stroke of brilliance?
No.
Any fool can make something bigger.

The A380... how far behind are they with orders.

May 6, 2008.
Airbus customers may face more A380 delays

...already two years behind schedule.
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Maximus Zeebra said:
But hey, dont tell any Americans on this forum that they are socialists who actually subsidize their own businesses.
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Goes both ways. The US subsidizes many of the their industries, the EU does the same, as well as most countries. The difference is that the EU (and Europeans in general) admit that they subsidize, where as American's do not in general.

Dont even tell them the reasons why Microsoft is still the biggest software company, because they think it is because of free competition, they would be shocked to learn the truth.
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I disagree. Microsoft provided the correct software at the correct time to IBM, and that got them started. Since then, Microsoft have provided superior software compared to its competitors. Has it used "uncompetitive" methods? Sure, but all companies do that in the same position as Microsoft. Face it, there has not been any viable alternative to most Microsoft products and those that there were (word perfect) did not innovate fast enough, so in the end failed. Same goes for Netscape and so on. Same goes with operating systems... no viable alternatives to Windows since forever. OS/2 was better, but the marketing and the way that IBM did the system made it doomed from the start. Linux has only lately become "easy and user friendly" but the boat has sailed long ago. Apple Mac, too closed and restricted to every become a success.. they botched their chance decades ago.

Because Americans are right, because they are democratic and free(which no one else is :roll:), and fight terrorism. Thats what they do, and everyone who do not share their view is wrong.

:lol:
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Yep, but not all :) only some of the right wingers :) But then again they live in a parallel universe often.
 
zimmer said:
The 380 is right out of the Commi handbook.
Make it really big... the biggest.
Make it so big that runways have to be rebuilt to allow it to land.
Make it huge so people can wait even longer to board and disembark.

The 380 is so huge the market for the plane is limited.

Was this a stroke of brilliance?
No.

The A380... how far behind are they with orders.
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So, in a crowded air, you would rather have 3 planes flying 500 people, than 1 plane flying 500 people?.. I so see the logic there.. very economical....:roll:

As for behind on orders.. yes they are, there has been set backs. But the plane is rolling of the assembly line and being delivered.

But saying that, the new Boeing is how far behind now? It has not even delivered it's first plane and was announced not long after the 380... Last I looked the new 787 is at least 9 months behind, and there is even doubt that production will start this year.....
 
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PeteEU said:
So, in a crowded air, you would rather have 3 planes flying 500 people, than 1 plane flying 500 people?.. I so see the logic there.. very economical....:roll:

As for behind on orders.. yes they are, there has been set backs. But the plane is rolling of the assembly line and being delivered.

But saying that, the new Boeing is how far behind now? It has not even delivered it's first plane and was announced not long after the 380...
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There is a limited market for the A380.
Being a frequent flier, not all planes are full, and you're assuming they will be.
Not.

So for you it's economical to have a plane flying at a fraction of capacity and sitting on the ground a lot between flights?
That's... ahhh... let's say.... not very profitable... but very European.
 
My father being a retired pilot for Finnair, he has an interest in following these matters. I haven't talked to him about the A380 much, but recently we talked about the Dreamliner vs. A350 XWB and in his opinion, the A350 will turn out to be the better plane, but only thanks to the fact that it was redesigned. Before it, he felt that the A350 was just a slightly modified A330 with hardly nothing really to go for it compared to the Dreamliner.
 
7thKeeper said:
My father being a retired pilot for Finnair, he has an interest in following these matters. I haven't talked to him about the A380 much, but recently we talked about the Dreamliner vs. A350 XWB and in his opinion, the A350 will turn out to be the better plane, but only thanks to the fact that it was redesigned. Before it, he felt that the A350 was just a slightly modified A330 with hardly nothing really to go for it compared to the Dreamliner.
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Hyvää Päivää
What did he say about the A380?
Vantaa's turned into quite the hub.
 
PeteEU said:
So, in a crowded air, you would rather have 3 planes flying 500 people, than 1 plane flying 500 people?.. I so see the logic there.. very economical....:roll:

As for behind on orders.. yes they are, there has been set backs. But the plane is rolling of the assembly line and being delivered.

But saying that, the new Boeing is how far behind now? It has not even delivered it's first plane and was announced not long after the 380... Last I looked the new 787 is at least 9 months behind, and there is even doubt that production will start this year.....
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Actually by now the A380 manufacturing and delivering is on route. It has already sold several hundred airplanes btw. Over 50 to the Emirates airline alone.. Amazing for a plane with "no market"..
 
zimmer said:
There is a limited market for the A380.
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Imagine when the charter companies in Europe start flying 800 people at the same time from Scandinavian airports to Spanish airports.
Thats just effective transportation.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Imagine when the charter companies in Europe start flying 800 people at the same time from Scandinavian airports to Spanish airports.
Thats just effective transportation.
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Is that part of John Lennon's song that was cut out?

Image we can fill all these planes, and head off to the sun...
ooh, ooh, oohoohooh...
You might say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one,
There are guys at Airbus... who think the airlines can get it done.

What happens when the seats don't get filled? That Scandinavian-Spain stretch is only viable 5 months of the year... what then? I don't see it as a short haul machine either.

I see taking on this plane as a great big challenge for most airlines.

I know I'll book another flight or airline if I see a 380, especially on international flights. I may have to hit customs when one of these beasts and its passengers disembark, but I will not volunteer sitting in brutal lines going through customs or getting baggage.

Customs is already a nightmare.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Actually by now the A380 manufacturing and delivering is on route. It has already sold several hundred airplanes btw. Over 50 to the Emirates airline alone.. Amazing for a plane with "no market"..
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I think you missed this... I forgot to link the quote.

Airbus customers may face more A380 delays - International Herald Tribune
Airbus customers may face more A380 delays
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Published: May 6, 2008

The A380, which went into service last year with Singapore Airlines, is heavily bankrolled by the state-owned Emirates, which has ordered 58 A380s.

"This will do us serious damage," the president of Emirates, Tim Clark, said during an interview.
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Maximus Zeebra said:
Boeing is also subsidized, HEAVILY, but better hidden, though the military research programs and so on.
Airbus just did it less well by taking direct state subsidies, while Boeing took more subsidies, but indirectly.

You know there is a whole "war" going on about both companies taking subsidies..?
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Military research programs expect the company to do some work. It's not free money my friend. So don't try to compare govt subsidies to research work.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Actually by now the A380 manufacturing and delivering is on route. It has already sold several hundred airplanes btw. Over 50 to the Emirates airline alone.. Amazing for a plane with "no market"..
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A rough I'd done a couple years ago.

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zimmer said:
Is that part of John Lennon's song that was cut out?

Image we can fill all these planes, and head off to the sun...
ooh, ooh, oohoohooh...
You might say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one,
There are guys at Airbus... who think the airlines can get it done.

What happens when the seats don't get filled? That Scandinavian-Spain stretch is only viable 5 months of the year... what then? I don't see it as a short haul machine either.

I see taking on this plane as a great big challenge for most airlines.

I know I'll book another flight or airline if I see a 380, especially on international flights. I may have to hit customs when one of these beasts and its passengers disembark, but I will not volunteer sitting in brutal lines going through customs or getting baggage.

Customs is already a nightmare.
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In Gran Canaria where I live, a tiny region of Spain, 2 million people arrive between October and January.. Every year over 1 million of a total of 5 million Norwegians travel to Spain, and the numbers are about the same in Sweden, but being a bigger nation, almost 1.5 million go to Spain every year. Year around.

Filling a380s going from norther Europe to souther Europe with 800 paseengers year around would be no problem at all. And I imagine that that could be the only intra continental travel where the A380 is useful. Because there are SOOOOOOO many people going from the UK/Germany/Benelux and Scandinavia down to the south, and its quite far, 5ish hours.
 
American said:
Military research programs expect the company to do some work. It's not free money my friend. So don't try to compare govt subsidies to research work.
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Actually, the subsidies to Aribus is in forms of loans that they have to pay back in 17 years with interests...
 
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