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    Re: Student auctions off virginity for offers of more than £2.5 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamic View Post
    That's interesting that you would not know that most people who think of sex in such a high regard do consider having sex as giving one self away. But not for free. It's a spiritual thing, and there is no real personal gain that is materializable.
    A spiritual thing? Sex? LOL I think if it's "spiritual", they're doing it wrong.

    You're taking "selling a body" as a literal sense.
    The people SAYING it are taking it literal, since figuratively we ALL "sell our bodies" every single day.

    It's not meant to be literal. You can sell ones body for a night or for an hour or for how long one see's fit. Usually prostitutes do sell their body--not just sex. Prostitutes are usually willing to perform almost any sex act (I know this is not always the case). In some cases they are expected to be extremely submissive while another perosn has their way with them.
    No, they are expected to perform a service agreed upon by both parties beforehand.

    What is sex exactly? How can one sell sex? Define sex in clear terms so it cannot be misconstued. Is sex only access to the vagina? It is only access to sexual organs? And what would you consider sexual organs since I've noticed a lot of women on here do not think breasts are considered in that catagory? What is the "product" you call sex in black and white? Since really, both terms selling sex, and selling your body both fall into a grey area.
    They're selling a service, just like everyone else in the fricken world. In the case of prostitutes, it's a sexual service. Being a computer admin can have "grey areas". It's not a product that's black and white. Neither is selling janitorial services. Or computer services. Or housekeeping services, or waitressing services. And, btw, aren't waitresses expected to be submissive while people tell them what they want, demand that they are brought what they want, and then get bitchy if it's not "just right"? Isn't the customer "always right"? Aren't they expected to do whatever they're told to?

    No service is black and white. The terms of service are always agreed upon by the people involved. People agree upon the terms of their employment upon agreeing to take a job. All jobs are different, even in the same field. Prostitution is no different from any other job in any respect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamic View Post
    That's a good point. But I think it's wrong to have to work for money too. But that discussion would be getting a tad bit off topic.
    I wish I didn't have to, but I don't own enough property yet to live off my land without any products from others.

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    Re: Student auctions off virginity for offers of more than £2.5 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    You have no right to speak of "imposing", what you want is to impose your morals on another person with laws hidden behind the mask of "society".
    And this is no different than what you are doing, except that your mask is labeled "freedom". You are just as much attempting to impose your moral values upon me as I am attempting to impose my moral values upon Ms. Dylan-- because her "rights" are no more real, no more objective, than my "morals."

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Your need to impose your beliefs on other people by force or punishment removes another person's freedom.
    And your need to impose your beliefs on other people-- by the very same force and punishment, no less!-- contributes to the moral decay of society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Society can not exist without individuals, but individuals exist without society.
    Not for every long, and it is not an existence to be envied. Your argument is based on one of the most unnatural and dehumanizing situations that a human being can be forced into, and is thus not a sound basis for moral philosophy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    If the girl in question is participating in the act of prostitution, then she obviously does not feel "degraded". Exactly what is "degrading" about it? The only thing degrading about it is that people are conditioned to believe it is so.
    It is degrading because she is taking something that is personal and intimate about herself and reducing it to a business transaction. She is reducing herself to an object of someone else's pleasure, for someone that neither cares about her nor has any reason to.

    And now, when she does find someone she is willing to share herself with, it will be that much less special, that much less personal and intimate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    What about people with disease who are not prostitutes having sex? What about people who have sex with married people who are not prostitutes?

    Are you actually against the act of prostitution, or disease and infidelity?
    I am also opposed to all of these. The only difference is that laws against are so much more difficult to enforce-- and all of these things, for all of the harm that they do, do less harm when prostitution is not involved with them.

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    Cool Re: Student auctions off virginity for offers of more than £2.5 million

    Donít know if anyone mentioned it:

    She should be taxed so that everyone with equal rights can have some too.

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    Re: Student auctions off virginity for offers of more than £2.5 million

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    Student auctions off virginity for offers of more than £2.5 million - Telegraph



    I say good on her. She's going to lose her virginity 100% on her own terms.
    I'd do her, but she definitely isn't worth $3.7 million.
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    Re: Student auctions off virginity for offers of more than £2.5 million

    It is degrading because she is taking something that is personal and intimate about herself and reducing it to a business transaction.
    Unless she doesn't consider it "something personal and intimate" about herself.

    Not everyone views things from your perspective.
    As has been previously noted, it's merely social conditioning that causes some people to view sex- or sexual organs- as "something personal and intimate".
    When a woman goes in for a gyn exam, is she sharing "something personal and intimate" with the doctor?
    Look, small children don't view their sexual organs as being any different from any other part of their body, until we condition them to believe this.
    In fact, they are the ones who are objectively correct, though.
    These body parts are merely body parts.
    They are not inherently dirty or nasty or wicked; they are not inherently sacred and holy and deeply spiritually meaningful. They are not inherently anything, any more than your eye, ear, nose, belly button, or hand is.
    They are merely body parts. They have no inherent meaning, other than what we as a society choose to assign to them.
    They do serve a dual biological function: they are organs of elimination and of reproduction, sort of combined into one package. One function is vital to the perpetuation of the species, the other vital to individual survival (as you certainly wouldn't survive long if you didn't have any way to excrete urine).
    These are useful functions, to be sure.
    These organs, additionally, serve a nonessential function- at least for most of us- namely, providing us with physically pleasurable sensations.
    This is probably some sort of evolutionary adaptation to encourage us to reproduce and perpetuate our species, or maybe it's just a happy glitch of anatomy, since there is nothing that encourages us, particularly, to reproduce at the times when we are most fertile and most likely to conceive.

    All of the above is objectively true, but there is no objective truth in statements about "intimacy" or statments which attribute some spiritual meaning to sex or to sexual organs.
    These are not objective, universal truths. They're subjective.
    I trust you recognize the difference.

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    Re: Student auctions off virginity for offers of more than £2.5 million

    This girl was actually on the morning drive time show, The Junkies, up here in DC on thursday. They were asking her a lot of questions about all this so I'll see what I can relay in regards to some of the things stated here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Wow, how many pathetic men are there in this world?

    Shes most likely not even a virgin, probably more likely a slut.
    Seems she's definitely a virgin, but she's also there by technicality alone. Says she had only 2 serious boyfriends. She's said she's given...lets say oral reports...rather often to guys she's with. And as was said on the radio to try to make it FCC friendly, while the territory she's selling is supposedly uncharted land the one on the other side's had a flag stuck in it and been claimed.

    So yeah, verging on technical. In regards to "slut"...meh, don't know. If she's telling the truth and only been really majorly with two guys, that's hardly "slutty".

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    isn't this illegal?
    Apparently its set to happen at the Bunny Ranch in Las Vegas, where prostitution is legal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Jeesh. I wonder how her parents cope with this.
    Her sister apparently was more of a wild child than her in regards to this type of thing. Additionally, it seems her plan with the money is not just in going to school.

    From how she told it on the radio, she plans on not only using it for school but investing it in stocks, getting her parents a new home, putting some in the bank, and other such things.

    She's honest to goodness seeming to look at this completely from a capitalistic, business stand point. She has a commodity that she recognizes people want (not only decently attractive virgin blank, but semi-celeb status now due to how much this blew up). She realizes that through the sale of it one time she could finance a great bit of her life and help out those she loved.

    Would I ever want my daughter to do it? No. Do I think its how one should lose their virginity? No. Do I think she's some kind of crazed monster whose immorality will destroy morality? No. She someone obvious a bit detached from her sexuality a bit with a very business like, realistic mind.

    As to the first picture on this thread...wow that was horrible. She's by no means super model worth but I would guess that the majority of guys on this board if they were single and met her at a bar they wouldn't bar her from their bed:







    Though gotta admit, that nose is a bit trifling.

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    Re: Student auctions off virginity for offers of more than £2.5 million

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Unless she doesn't consider it "something personal and intimate" about herself.
    We've had this argument before, and I doubt I will ever convince you. But, for the benefit of the class:

    These things are biologically intimate. Sexual activity causes the release of hormones that make people more attracted to each other and that create feelings of intimacy and closeness. This "mere biological function" that you think can be safely reduced to a business transaction chemically manipulates the emotions of the people who engage in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    When a woman goes in for a gyn exam, is she sharing "something personal and intimate" with the doctor?
    Considering that neither of them, typically, is experiencing sexual pleasure from the encounter, neither of them is exchanging bodily fluids with the other, and certainly neither of them will have an orgasm from the experience?

    Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Look, small children don't view their sexual organs as being any different from any other part of their body, until we condition them to believe this.
    It isn't about sexual organs. It's about sexual acts. There is a difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    All of the above is objectively true, but there is no objective truth in statements about "intimacy" or statments which attribute some spiritual meaning to sex or to sexual organs.
    These are not objective, universal truths. They're subjective.
    I trust you recognize the difference.
    All of the reasons why my statements are objectively supported by biology aside-- yes, I do recognize the difference between subjective opinions and objective facts. But my track record suggests that I don't consider that distinction particularly important unless subjective opinions are in direct contradiction to objective facts.

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    Re: Student auctions off virginity for offers of more than £2.5 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    And this is no different than what you are doing, except that your mask is labeled "freedom". You are just as much attempting to impose your moral values upon me as I am attempting to impose my moral values upon Ms. Dylan-- because her "rights" are no more real, no more objective, than my "morals."
    Except that your "imposing" is causing unnecessary laws on an entire population of people, the prostitute is not. No one is trying to change your morals, you are trying to change other people's morals and abusing our legal system in the process.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    And your need to impose your beliefs on other people-- by the very same force and punishment, no less!-- contributes to the moral decay of society.
    Prostitution has been around for countless years. There has been no decay in society, except in certain people's minds. Our legal system is abused by people like this. That is the real decay of society, when people cannot live freely because others want their ego to be the deciding factor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Not for every long, and it is not an existence to be envied. Your argument is based on one of the most unnatural and dehumanizing situations that a human being can be forced into, and is thus not a sound basis for moral philosophy.

    It is degrading because she is taking something that is personal and intimate about herself and reducing it to a business transaction. She is reducing herself to an object of someone else's pleasure, for someone that neither cares about her nor has any reason to.

    And now, when she does find someone she is willing to share herself with, it will be that much less special, that much less personal and intimate.
    So much subjectivity here, our laws cannot be based on such things. If they are, we would be drown even more in them.

    How do you know that her virginity is something "personal and intimate about herself"? Maybe she does not feel that way, not everyone cares about sharing it the way you do. You are making an assumption based on your own philosophies, without any respect for her own thoughts. She is an individual who is capable of having her own ideas about herself, the same way you are. The difference is, as already stated, she is not imposing it on an entire population of people with our legal system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I am also opposed to all of these. The only difference is that laws against are so much more difficult to enforce-- and all of these things, for all of the harm that they do, do less harm when prostitution is not involved with them.
    So a person who sleeps with a prostitute and cheats on their spouse is worse then when it is not a prostitute? That is some hardcore conditioning right there.

    If a married person chooses to do business with a prostitute, that is the problem of the married couple, not the prostitute. The married person is the one who broke vows. Did the prostitute participate in their wedding and swear to not sleep with the spouse? Chances are, no. It was the married person who made the promise so it is their infidelity, no one else.

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    Re: Student auctions off virginity for offers of more than £2.5 million

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Seems she's definitely a virgin, but she's also there by technicality alone. Says she had only 2 serious boyfriends. She's said she's given...lets say oral reports...rather often to guys she's with. And as was said on the radio to try to make it FCC friendly, while the territory she's selling is supposedly uncharted land the one on the other side's had a flag stuck in it and been claimed.

    So yeah, verging on technical. In regards to "slut"...meh, don't know. If she's telling the truth and only been really majorly with two guys, that's hardly "slutty"..
    Everyone can SAY they are a virgin, that doesn't make them so if they actually aren't. Most likely it just makes her a liar in addition to being a slut.





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    Definitely comes off as a virgin

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    Re: Student auctions off virginity for offers of more than £2.5 million

    me thinks he doth protest too much

    come out of the closet already Max

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