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Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

Maximus Zeebra said:
Yes, but if you dont belong to a party you will not become president.. This is especially true in the US and Europe, where you have to belong to one of two parties in the US or the right one in Europe. Else you stand no chance.
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It is not the same thing has having a single group of religious leaders exclude you from election simply because you do not meet the religious criteria that they set.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
To stand in the primaries for either the republican or democratic party, you have to be approved by that party. You cant just stand for a party at whatever platform you choose. Only independents can do what you are talking about, and they are never elected president.
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MZ - this is where you are wrong. You do NOT have to be approved by the party. You merely have to secure signatures OR post a deposit with the government. You simply do not understand that the party leadership DOES NOT NEED TO approve your candidacy. In the jurisdiction I lived in, I registered for the party primary at the elections office, NOT at the party office.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
They nominate themselves, but they have to belong to a party to be elected. And if they want to stand in the primaries for either the republican or democrat party which is their only choice of being elected, then they have to be approved by that party.

I am no expert on the US election process, but I am pretty damn sure my description in the last dusin posts are the correct reality.
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That is NOT reality, that is the point. You DO NOT have to have the approval of the party leadership to run in the primaries. Heck, you don't even have to be a member of the party.
 
RightOfCenter said:
None. All US citizens of that party are free to run in the primary provided they have enough signatures and are a registered voter for that party.
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You don't even have to be a registered member of that party in many (or most) jurisdictions. Heck, there are places that don't even HAVE party registration.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
No, I am not in favor of Iran.. I am just trying to show ho biased you are against Iran and how biased you are in favor of your own version of democracy. Not you specifically, but the people in this thread who claim the Iranian president, who said those nasty things, are not democratically elected.
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The problem is your bias is compounded by your ignorance of the AMerican system.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Yet in the primaries there are just a dusin or so candidates for each party. Where are all the others? And how were they rooted away? I can imagine thousands of people sign up like you say, but all those arent in the primaries, are they? The primary candidates are somehow approved by the party, and not the whole party electorate.
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NO, THEY ARE NOT!!! :doh
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
They had elections.. There is no way to spin around this, just give up.. Yes the final candidates were still approved, so what, there was still elections.. The final elected president is not approved in any other way than in monarchies, ceremonial.
In Norway and other countries the prime minister have to be approved by the king...
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The elections were not free and fair.

Has the monarch of Norway or UK or other European constitutional monarchies NOT approved the PM any time in the last century or so?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Then they had democratic elections..

I laugh when the UK constantly nags on about how Medvedev was handpicked successor to Putin, allthewhile Brown is the prime minister in the UK, and was never elected.

Such things just makes me wonder how wrong 90% of people are and how far the reach of hypocrisy is.
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In a Parliamentary system, the Prime Minister is NEVER elected by the people. The people elect the MPs and the MPs elect the Prime Minister.

Your intellectual dishonesty is showing in spades.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Iran is certainly a form of democracy, so is Italy and the US. In the US the parties decide who goes on the ballots, aside from the independents whom never get elected president.
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Once again, you are wrong. ANYONE who is qualified for the office can get on the ballot if the meet minimum requirements set by LAW, not the parties.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
In your dreams and fantasies.

I think you are just too much in love with the US to ever see the reality, and ever be reasoned with.. I am not anti-American, but you fit the opposite specter, you are blindly pro-American.
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You are massively ignorant of history if you believe this.
 
ludahai said:
You are massively ignorant of history if you believe this.
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You saved Europe from Nazi Germany, thats it. Your sad belief that Europe is just here because of the US, and that the US is paying for everything we have is simply insane and ridiculous. Its actually beyond belief that someone can believe that.
Thats just nationalism borderline retardation.
 
ludahai said:
The elections were not free and fair.

Has the monarch of Norway or UK or other European constitutional monarchies NOT approved the PM any time in the last century or so?
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They have always approved them.. But they became prime ministers because they were nominated(approved) by their parties, not by their people, and then elected prime minister as a consequence of that party receiving the most votes.
 
ludahai said:
In a Parliamentary system, the Prime Minister is NEVER elected by the people. The people elect the MPs and the MPs elect the Prime Minister.

Your intellectual dishonesty is showing in spades.
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Thats exactly what I am saying, how in the world can you try to turn this against me for he sake of spinning and disagreeing. This forum is just becoming overly absurd, I am starting to believe there is something REALLY wrong with people under the influence of the US/UK axis, that they perhaps are under some bizarre spell or something which just narrows their perspectives into a single perspective where everything else is something to spin around to arrive on the perspective they want.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
You saved Europe from Nazi Germany, thats it. Your sad belief that Europe is just here because of the US, and that the US is paying for everything we have is simply insane and ridiculous. Its actually beyond belief that someone can believe that.
Thats just nationalism borderline retardation.
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The U.S. shielded EUrope from the Soviet Union for decades. If you ignore this, you truly are ignorant of history.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Thats exactly what I am saying, how in the world can you try to turn this against me for he sake of spinning and disagreeing. This forum is just becoming overly absurd, I am starting to believe there is something REALLY wrong with people under the influence of the US/UK axis, that they perhaps are under some bizarre spell or something which just narrows their perspectives into a single perspective where everything else is something to spin around to arrive on the perspective they want.
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That is a human traight. It knows no nationality.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
They have always approved them.. But they became prime ministers because they were nominated(approved) by their parties, not by their people, and then elected prime minister as a consequence of that party receiving the most votes.
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Frankly, I am not aware of how candidates stand for election in most European democracies. However, in the US, one does NOT need the approval of the party leadership to run in ANY election. They petition for election at a GOVERNMENT office, NOT a party one.
 
ludahai said:
The U.S. shielded EUrope from the Soviet Union for decades. If you ignore this, you truly are ignorant of history.
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Thats true, and Europe helped shield the US..
Even to this day if there is any conventional war between the US and Russia it will be a stalemate. the only advantage the US has is Europe.

But why are we really discussing this now.. Are you people so far into forcing people into your one sided perspectives that you just have to dribble out irrelevant debates just to force more propaganda onto people?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Thats exactly what I am saying, how in the world can you try to turn this against me for he sake of spinning and disagreeing. This forum is just becoming overly absurd, I am starting to believe there is something REALLY wrong with people under the influence of the US/UK axis, that they perhaps are under some bizarre spell or something which just narrows their perspectives into a single perspective where everything else is something to spin around to arrive on the perspective they want.
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This coming from someone who says Iran is a democracy and posits (inaccurately) that the leadership of political parties in the US approve or reject candidates before they get on primary ballots. Absurd.
 
ludahai said:
Frankly, I am not aware of how candidates stand for election in most European democracies. However, in the US, one does NOT need the approval of the party leadership to run in ANY election. They petition for election at a GOVERNMENT office, NOT a party one.
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OFCOURSE they do.. Dont you GET IT????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????, Whats really so difficult in understanding that in order to be president in the US one have to stand for either the democrats or the republicans? One cant simply stand for those parties without their approval, and you have to conform your platform to fit their image.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Thats true, and Europe helped shield the US..
Even to this day if there is any conventional war between the US and Russia it will be a stalemate. the only advantage the US has is Europe.

But why are we really discussing this now.. Are you people so far into forcing people into your one sided perspectives that you just have to dribble out irrelevant debates just to force more propaganda onto people?
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Your problem is that you defend states that are not truly democracies and you have an abject lack of understand on the AMerican system of elections, yet you are claiming that your view is the valid one, though it is devoid of facts.
 
ludahai said:
This coming from someone who says Iran is a democracy and posits (inaccurately) that the leadership of political parties in the US approve or reject candidates before they get on primary ballots. Absurd.
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So, what you are saying is that anyone who pleases can stand as presidential candidate for whatever party he pleases with whatever platform he wants? :lol:

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Maximus Zeebra said:
OFCOURSE they do.. Dont you GET IT????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????, Whats really so difficult in understanding that in order to be president in the US one have to stand for either the democrats or the republicans? One cant simply stand for those parties without their approval, and you have to conform your platform to fit their image.
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Goodness, gracious. ANYONE who is a qualified candidate can run for any office in the United States for either party WITHOUT the party heirarchy's approval. WHat about this do you NOT understand!?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
So, what you are saying is that anyone who pleases can stand as presidential candidate for whatever party he pleases with whatever platform he wants? :lol:

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YES! You may laugh, but this is the reality in the United States.
 
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