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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Never said that. But when you mention that, its not actually true that Europeans know who their prime minister will be when they vote. Depends on coalitions and such.
    But they know who the leader of the party is of the candidate they are voting for.

    I remember an ill scenario, which is related to the first quote in this post.. The prime minister of Norway for 8 years.. He was from the smallest party in a coalition of 3 or 4 parties.
    Nobody actually knew when they voted, which coalition would be the winning one, nor that he would be prime minister. However, he has dedicated his life to the party and only became the party leader after several decades going through the ranks of the party, a small party.
    This is a fundamental diffreence between the Parliamentary and Presidential system. Why you keep forcing your European on your perceptions of how the American system works despite the number of Americans who have come on here to explain otherwise is beyond me.
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Iranians did have a choice and voted on it...
    But those choices were all approved by the Guardian Council. Any candidate the Guardian Council did not like were disqualified. That is NOT democracy and that is NOT akin to anything in the U.S. system (as you initially claimed.)
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Iranians did have a choice and voted on it...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian...election,_2005



    Thats second round.. In the first round 7 candidates had over 1 million votes each and 5 of those had more than 4 million votes each.
    And all of them were the choice of the SL.


    There is another election in 2009...
    Iranian presidential election, 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Its going to be very exciting apparently.. reformists are gaining a lot of ground over traditionalists these days in Iran, and with a worsening economic situation it is very likely that their president and majority in parliament will be of this group, the reformists.
    If they change their constitution and get rid of the SL and the Guardian Council good for them.
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    But the primary is the process by which the candidates are choosen to represent the party. What part of this do you not understand? You seem to be running in circles.
    Maybe I am, because things are completely different in Europe, and its just almost impossible to believe that parties cannot exclude people from "applying" for top positions while representing that party.

    As I have read more and more examples of how the US system works when it comes to parties and elections, I am starting to chew more on this issue and accept that I am probably wrong. But I would want to see everything in a document, the whole process of running as president within a party structure as something highly interesting.
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    But those choices were all approved by the Guardian Council. Any candidate the Guardian Council did not like were disqualified. That is NOT democracy and that is NOT akin to anything in the U.S. system (as you initially claimed.)
    I never claimed it was alike the US system. I claimed that Iran is a form of democracy, and it is. It is comparable to European and American democracy in many ways. In the excluding process its highly comparable to European democracy, and if you guys are right about Americans party not having any say in who runs for their party, then its unlike in America.
    But the system is very comparable to American and European democracy in general, but yes, more restrictive in general also.
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

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    And all of them were the choice of the SL.



    If they change their constitution and get rid of the SL and the Guardian Council good for them.
    SL?

    No, those people nominated themselves.. Some were excluded by the Guardian council yes. But in the first round of election there was 8 major candidates that were reduced to 2 by the peoples vote, and then eventually one by another round of voting.
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    SL?
    Supreme Leader. I'm getting tired of typing it.

    No, those people nominated themselves..
    They nominated themselves to be interviewed by the Guardian Council and SL.

    Some were excluded by the Guardian council yes. But in the first round of election there was 8 major candidates that were reduced to 2 by the peoples vote, and then eventually one by another round of voting.
    8 candidates who all have the same views is not any different than 2 candidates who have the same views. Not democratic.
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I never claimed it was alike the US system. I claimed that Iran is a form of democracy, and it is. It is comparable to European and American democracy in many ways. In the excluding process its highly comparable to European democracy, and if you guys are right about Americans party not having any say in who runs for their party, then its unlike in America.
    But the system is very comparable to American and European democracy in general, but yes, more restrictive in general also.
    Name one way besides voting that Iran is a democracy.
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Name one way besides voting that Iran is a democracy.
    The people are relatively free..
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The people are relatively free..
    Freedom House disagrees with you.
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