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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    That mechanism is called a primary. I have provided a link. Have you ignored it? That is the epitomy of willful ignorance.
    And for the billionth time, I am not talking about the primary.....................................
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    The primary. That's the procedure and mechanism for deciding who runs.
    I grew up with a parliamentary democracy system with parties. It just sounds incredibly unlikely and enormously bizarre that the party cannot disqualify anyone from running in the primary for THEIR party.. I just cannot accept that without some document describing the whole process within a party and the steps of getting elected president.. Sorry, I am just very difficult on this particular issue, it just sounds too unreal to be true.
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Yes you did. You claimed that the Supreme Leader of Iran choosing Iranian presidential candidates was no different than the Republican and Democratic parties nominating their candidates.
    That I said if you switch "nominating" with "disqualifying". Thats however not the same as what your previously said I said.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    I did not set out to prove that, nor did I claim it. Parties are a valuable mechanism for getting the greatest number of votes behind one candidate.
    But if anyone can run as a primary candidate for the party without the party being able to disqualify them, then the parties in the US are just formal institutions.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    The people are the party. They decide who is nominated and who they will support and try and gain support for their candidate from other party members.
    In Europe, a party is like a company, and the people can vote on them if they please. The parties are completely independent of the people, except in being voted on and voted out.


    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    The registered, voting members of the party decide. I don't know how you're making these huge, irrational leaps from what I have said. If someone wishes to run for their party's nomination they register their name with the party and circulate a petition among party members to get their nomination. If the party members believe he/she has the best policies they will vote for him/her in the primary.
    Its just difficult for me to understand, because parties and elections in Europe is apparently enormously different from parties and elections processes in the US.
    I thought they were somewhat similar systems..
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    yes.. and all people who dont know sms language are also fools in the eyes of the fools who use it to the detriment of language..

    I have no idea what you are talking about what /=.. Please explain it.. I do not appreciate you calling me a fool because I do not understand it.. You are quite foolish for discussing in such a way.
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    It's an equal sign with a slash through it... meaning "not equal."
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I grew up with a parliamentary democracy system with parties. It just sounds incredibly unlikely and enormously bizarre that the party cannot disqualify anyone from running in the primary for THEIR party.. I just cannot accept that without some document describing the whole process within a party and the steps of getting elected president.. Sorry, I am just very difficult on this particular issue, it just sounds too unreal to be true.
    There really is no easier way to explain this to you. All one has to do to join the party is register to that party. Signing your name and checking a box is all it is. Then if you are so inclined you may obtain a petition to be in the party primary (an example of this petition I have already given to you). The state parties have their primaries and vote for the person they so choose and then it moves on to the national party convention where the person is formally nominated. This is how it works and you won't find anyone who knows anything about American politics disagreeing with me.

    The case you state, where someone lies about their political position is very unlikely. While anyone may petition to be in the primary vote it is extremely unlikely that anyone who hasn't already been in politics with the party for many, many years to even come close to being nominated.

    European parties work in a similar way. Party members to get any position of authority must have been in the party for a long time and have shown their dedication to the party through hard work and unity with the rest of the party members.

    Neither of these systems are at all close to the Supreme Leader of Iran choosing the Iranian presidential candidates, which you have asserted.
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    That I said if you switch "nominating" with "disqualifying". Thats however not the same as what your previously said I said.
    Except for the fact that in America it's millions of people doing it based on their opinions about who can do the job best. That is not to mention the fact that there is another group of millions of people who think a different way choosing their own candidate who can do the job best.



    But if anyone can run as a primary candidate for the party without the party being able to disqualify them, then the parties in the US are just formal institutions.
    I suppose yes, they are formal institutions where people work together to choose an candidate and attempt to get him elected to office. What's wrong with that?



    In Europe, a party is like a company, and the people can vote on them if they please. The parties are completely independent of the people, except in being voted on and voted out.
    And in Europe party members must adhere strictly to the party line. This leads to more parties in Europe so everyone can have their views heard due to proportional representation.




    Its just difficult for me to understand, because parties and elections in Europe is apparently enormously different from parties and elections processes in the US.
    I thought they were somewhat similar systems..
    Somewhat similar in the fact that they have free elections. The US has a federal system and a bicameral legislature with different rules for each house of Congress. Most European countries have a unicameral legislature and proportional representation, forcing the parties to make sure their members keep to the party line if they wish to have any power. But since it does have proportional representation it allows for a larger number of parties to make up for the fact that not everyone has exactly the same views on every issue, but everyone is still represented. Since the US has winner-take-all legislative districts people must compromise with their votes and band together to elect a candidate that they agree with more than the opposing candidate.
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Neither of these systems are at all close to the Supreme Leader of Iran choosing the Iranian presidential candidates, which you have asserted.
    In Europe the party leadership and commitees can disqualify people from even top positions. And its the party leadership and regional meeting that decide who becomes prime minister candidate.
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    In Europe the party leadership and commitees can disqualify people from even top positions. And its the party leadership and regional meeting that decide who becomes prime minister candidate.
    And in Europe the people have dozens (depending on the country) or choices for leader, and all of those choices have different views on policies and the direction of the country. In Iran both candidates are chosen by the Supreme Leader because they have the same views as the SL. Not democratic.
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    And in Europe the people have dozens (depending on the country) or choices for leader, and all of those choices have different views on policies and the direction of the country. In Iran both candidates are chosen by the Supreme Leader because they have the same views as the SL. Not democratic.
    No.. IN Europe you choose the party and get the leader as a result of that, in most countries in Europe you never directly elect the leader.
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    Re: Iran president: 'Not feasible' for Israel to live

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    No.. IN Europe you choose the party and get the leader as a result of that, in most countries in Europe you never directly elect the leader.
    First, are you going to tell me that people don't know who the party is going to nominate for leader before they vote? I don't believe that's true.

    Second, it's inconsequential. As you said before, party's in Europe can prevent people who don't follow the party line from taking a leadership position. Since people who are chosen for a position of the national leadership have earned it through dedication to the party platform people know what whoever the party chooses positions are anyway.

    Third: In Europe there are dozens or parties to choose from with varying positions on the issues. In Iran there are two choices who both have the same positions on the issues.
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