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    Re: Life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    Is there a physical chemical reaction that makes methane? I was under the impression that it required a biological catalyst.
    Water can react with Rock and vulcanize, which can create methane.


    I watched the thing.

    What there seems to be is three specific areas that can be found to be Methane vents that occur in the Northern Summer, but not at other times (mar's seasons repeat over a two year span)

    This methan has a very short life expectancy, much shorter than that of Earth's methane. They believe thta there may be the presence of oxidization molecules such as Hydrogen Peroxide that contribute to the shorter lifespan, or perhaps methane consuming microbes.

    In total, the three vents are producing a massive about of methane, and are localized in to these regions, which are in the middle northern lattitudes.

    Ther ehave yet to be found rpesence of toher chemical markers to explain this release of methane by way of either geological or biological menas.

    If it is geological, the assumption would be that there should aslo be Sulfer Dioxide, as is found with terrestrial volcanic vents.

    If there is a biological factor, then other gasses would be present that have yet to be found.

    There may exist a third reasons for this methane release, as of yet undetermined, but further study is necessary.

    Also, this methane relewase may not be being produced at teh moment, but instead is some sort of trapped preexisting methane that is being released by some means.

    The question as to how the methane got there is quite intriguing. As well as the fact that it coincides with the northner summer. Will we see something similar in southern regions when the southern summer rolls around?

    This is not like methane existing in the atmosphere, as it does on other plnets. During other seasons, there is far less methane in the Martian atmosphere than was recorded in this case.

    The three hotspots are also indicative of a methane release point, and the levels in the atmosphere are not constant, as is the case with other atmopheres where we see large quantities of methane.

    Nor is it uniform. This, combined with the relatively short life cycle, is why the determination of venting was possible.

    The methods used were also quite interesting. They isolated a sliver of the planet and perfromed a spectrographical analysis of this strip, taking 30-50 spectra at a time, and repeated the process every 60 seconds.

    I didn;t take notes, so I may have botched some things while explaining them. Sorry if I did.
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    Re: Life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Well unless there's biological activity on Neptune, methane does not require life to be produced. Additionally, Mars has a great deal less methane than several planets that definitely do not have and have never had life on them.
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    Re: Life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You have the Genisis Torpedo. You can do what you want.
    Is that what I found when I got around to mowing my lawn. Guess I should tell the kid to not use it as a fort then.
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    Re: Life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Is that what I found when I got around to mowing my lawn. Guess I should tell the kid to not use it as a fort then.
    Yeah. The neighbors might not like it if it went off.

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    Re: Life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Well unless there's biological activity on Neptune, methane does not require life to be produced. Additionally, Mars has a great deal less methane than several planets that definitely do not have and have never had life on them.
    The only other method of producing methane is by vulcanization, which does not exist on Mars.


    Earth has a magnetic field due to the movement of molten ores beneath the crust. Neptune? You are looking at liquid nitrogen, which produces a magnetic field, and can produce methane through processes similar to that of vulcanism. Mars has absolutely no magnetic field, and there is no evidence of vulcanism at all. Methane is a relatively short-lived gas, and vulcanism on Mars would have to have been very recent to see methane produced from that process.
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    Re: Life on Mars

    There's a sci-fi movie coming out soon called Moon. It stars Sam Rockwell and is about harvesting helium of some sort for energy on Earth.


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    Re: Life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The only other method of producing methane is by vulcanization, which does not exist on Mars.


    Earth has a magnetic field due to the movement of molten ores beneath the crust. Neptune? You are looking at liquid nitrogen, which produces a magnetic field, and can produce methane through processes similar to that of vulcanism. Mars has absolutely no magnetic field, and there is no evidence of vulcanism at all. Methane is a relatively short-lived gas, and vulcanism on Mars would have to have been very recent to see methane produced from that process.
    A few points:

    1. According to the NASA program (which already aired) on this, vulcanism may occur on a subterranean level on Mars, they do not know for sure.

    2. Methane is relatively short-lived when exposed to light because of photolysis, but subteranean methan can exist for centuries

    3. This was about three separate vents found to exist for sure on mars, not normal atmospheric methane.

    4. There may exist methane production possibilities that are not evident on Earth, so are as of yet undetermined. We cannot automatically assume life or vulcanization are the only possible explanations for this methane. That is a false dichotmy. Circumstances may exist on Mars that are not present on Earth to create methane in some heretofore unimagined way.
    We cannot jump to the conclusion that "life exists on Mars" based solely on these data. More information is necesary to make that conclusion.
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    Re: Life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    A few points:

    1. According to the NASA program (which already aired) on this, vulcanism may occur on a subterranean level on Mars, they do not know for sure.

    2. Methane is relatively short-lived when exposed to light because of photolysis, but subteranean methan can exist for centuries

    3. This was about three separate vents found to exist for sure on mars, not normal atmospheric methane.

    4. There may exist methane production possibilities that are not evident on Earth, so are as of yet undetermined. We cannot automatically assume life or vulcanization are the only possible explanations for this methane. That is a false dichotmy. Circumstances may exist on Mars that are not present on Earth to create methane in some heretofore unimagined way.
    We cannot jump to the conclusion that "life exists on Mars" based solely on these data. More information is necesary to make that conclusion.
    What I'm getting here is that NASA said "we may have found evidence of life on Mars!" when they really meant "Hey we need to seem useful so they'll keep funding us!"
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    Re: Life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    What I'm getting here is that NASA said "we may have found evidence of life on Mars!" when they really meant "Hey we need to seem useful so they'll keep funding us!"
    Please don't tell me you are against funding NASA. Cut back on the military, I'd much rather know as much about life on Mars and speak Mandarin then cut NASA out of the budget (this is a bit of a joke).

    The implications this holds is astronomical (no pun intended). God seriously has a lot of explaining to do if we do find life on another planet, and the first time I see someone speak on behalf of God and his response to this I will vomit profusely.
    This could quite possibly negate the validity of the Genesis story (as a historical account). Which, in my opinion, is long over due. I keep quiet when it comes to threads about creationism just because I find my opinion of it to be quite hostile. I've taken Hebrew Literature courses (Old Testament) and attended a Southern Baptist Church for 18 years, to believe in creationism seems to be the equivalent of explaining the creation of Middle-Earth-- beautiful prose, but complete fantasy.

    It also makes one question what was first. Life on Earth or Mars. Not to that finding life on our neighboring planet could actually dramatically increase the already large probability of life on other planets.
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    Re: Life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Please don't tell me you are against funding NASA. Cut back on the military, I'd much rather know as much about life on Mars and speak Mandarin then cut NASA out of the budget (this is a bit of a joke).

    The implications this holds is astronomical (no pun intended). God seriously has a lot of explaining to do if we do find life on another planet, and the first time I see someone speak on behalf of God and his response to this I will vomit profusely.
    This could quite possibly negate the validity of the Genesis story (as a historical account). Which, in my opinion, is long over due. I keep quiet when it comes to threads about creationism just because I find my opinion of it to be quite hostile. I've taken Hebrew Literature courses (Old Testament) and attended a Southern Baptist Church for 18 years, to believe in creationism seems to be the equivalent of explaining the creation of Middle-Earth-- beautiful prose, but complete fantasy.

    It also makes one question what was first. Life on Earth or Mars. Not to that finding life on our neighboring planet could actually dramatically increase the already large probability of life on other planets.
    No, I'm not. Many people are however. But the leaking of the story that "there may be life on Mars!" when the explanation is most likely geological was a ridiculous exaggeration.
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