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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    This is an emotional issue, not a military issue, and that's the problem with it.

    And if you don't think that there won't be problems, you're an idiot. It's not that they cannot server, and serve honorably, it happens, it's not that there will be a huge problems, there will be some, but not a lot...

    It's just that this is COMPLETELY an emotional issue, and has very little to do with military readiness, and in fact will hurt reediness to an extent for a while. Why do that?

    To feel good?

    Stupid.
    Not to question your private life but do you go around asking people if they're gay just so that you know how to act around them? If yes. If you find out that one of them is gay do you change your attitude towards them?
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    You don't think blacks were treated harshly for most of the time after the services were integrated? It has changed, but it did take a long time before they were treated equally in the military.
    That's an argument against gay-integration? It's hard?

    Why is the military America's bad ass super heros that know no fear when it comes to Iraq but apparently such pussies when it comes to some gays? Yeah, it'll be hard. So is invading countries and kicking ass all over the place, but they can do that, so I have faith in them.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    This is an emotional issue, not a military issue, and that's the problem with it.

    And if you don't think that there won't be problems, you're an idiot. It's not that they cannot server, and serve honorably, it happens, it's not that there will be a huge problems, there will be some, but not a lot...

    It's just that this is COMPLETELY an emotional issue, and has very little to do with military readiness, and in fact will hurt reediness to an extent for a while. Why do that?

    To feel good?

    Stupid.
    I never said there wouldn't be problems. But I don't think the problems would ultimatley outweigh the militarys capability or cripple it in any drastic way. I can agree with Rev, that now might not be the time for it due to the wars, but ultimatley DADT is an outdated discriminatory mechanism IMO.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's just that this is COMPLETELY an emotional issue, and has very little to do with military readiness, and in fact will hurt reediness to an extent for a while. Why do that?

    To feel good?

    Stupid.
    Yeah it was also stupid to allow those blacks in the military, that sure affected readiness for a while too didn't it?

    Yes, there will be problems, but just like everything else will pass through education and tolerance. The military has always been ahead of the times on tolerance when it was allowed to, this would just give the military a chance to prove that again.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    That's an argument against gay-integration? It's hard?

    Why is the military America's bad ass super heros that know no fear when it comes to Iraq but apparently such pussies when it comes to some gays? Yeah, it'll be hard. So is invading countries and kicking ass all over the place, but they can do that, so I have faith in them.
    Fair enough. But why add another level of difficulty to an already difficult situation. I'm for this, but I think it should be done in peace time like Rev says.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Well, then maybe the Republicans shouldn't have been such dicks about it in the 90s.

    Republicans will always find a reason, it has to be done now while the Democrats have the strength.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Well, then maybe the Republicans shouldn't have been such dicks about it in the 90s.

    Republicans will always find a reason, it has to be done now while the Democrats have the strength.
    If the wars are successful while Democrats are in power now they will certainly be in power for a long time.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    exactly the opposite. they can, the 1% though that cant may have a detrimental affect on the 99% who dont care.
    Care to back up your use of percentages because I am sure that the disparity is far greater.


    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Also all that "what about the camaraderie" stuff is bull****, because the army was successfully racially integrated.
    What makes you think the Army was successfully integrated?
    I left the Army in 92 and to say it was successfully integrated meant you had to twist the meaning of "successfully".
    Regardless of real or perceived favoritism or racial hatred, were blacks and those of other races able to work together... yep.
    But off duty was a different story and most who serve/d know this.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Not to question your private life but do you go around asking people if they're gay just so that you know how to act around them? If yes. If you find out that one of them is gay do you change your attitude towards them?
    Emotional question, no bearing on the issue at all.

    And no I don't really care either which way.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Fair enough. But why add another level of difficulty to an already difficult situation. I'm for this, but I think it should be done in peace time like Rev says.
    Actually IMO, it would be easier to implement in wartime rather than peace time.

    In wartime, I don't think the priority would be "mess with the gay guy that has a weapon" and rather the important factor would be defeating the enemy.

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