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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    The problem with fratenization is about the disparity in the ranks, not the act of sex itself. It would be just as wrong for a gay Lt and private to have sex, than it would be for a straight Lt and a female private to have sex. People get busted down in rank or discharged for it all the time, as they should. Its not as if, in the earlier example put forth by Mr. Vicchio, that would be acceptable in either instance.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Not for those already in. For example, if the policy was changed next month there would still be personnel in the military with a long time to serve left. Suddenly the guy they'd been training with, bunking with, showering with turns out to be gay. I don't think the average dumb private will take that very well.
    They already train with, bunk with, and shower with gays.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Please explain how this detrimental affect would manifest itself.


    I know more people in Illinois than you.

    How would this get someone killed? Please support this claim.



    I'm not convinced it's a leap.
    Alienation of gay soldiers. Comradery is very important in the military and if there are soldiers in a unit that are hated for no reason by other soldiers this could cause a huge problem, at least in the beginning of the program.

    It's not uncommon to hear about black soldiers being mistreated after the armed forces were racially integrated.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    They already train with, bunk with, and shower with gays.
    But they assume that they are straight and its not a problem. If they were to know it could become a huge issue.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    The problem with fratenization is about the disparity in the ranks, not the act of sex itself. It would be just as wrong for a gay Lt and private to have sex, than it would be for a straight Lt and a female private to have sex. People get busted down in rank or discharged for it all the time, as they should. Its not as if, in the earlier example put forth by Mr. Vicchio, that would be acceptable in either instance.
    Segregate all the gay soldiers.

    That'll cut down on the sex.

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    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Please explain how this detrimental affect would manifest itself.

    Look at this thread, the fact that we are not unified on this issue should be a clue to you.,


    I know more people in Illinois than you.

    How would this get someone killed? Please support this claim.

    Really?


    simple. you take one guy who has an irrational fear of being assaulted by another's blood engorged member, now given this he may not be focusing on the mission. now rational or not you introduced this fear with your social engineering in the middle of a war, now instead of scanning and panning with his 50-cal for haji, he is thinking about that "damn fag" riding shotgun in the hmmwv.... his focus is lost. that potentially kills three-four people right there.



    I'm not convinced it's a leap.

    It may not be. but would you not air on the side of caution in the middle of 2 wars?
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Alienation of gay soldiers. Comradery is very important in the military and if there are soldiers in a unit that are hated for no reason by other soldiers this could cause a huge problem, at least in the beginning of the program.

    It's not uncommon to hear about black soldiers being mistreated after the armed forces were racially integrated.


    another good reason.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Segregate all the gay soldiers.

    That'll cut down on the sex.

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    Well, maybe you can get a jump on everything, and design some kind of uniform patch that designates those who are gay.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Isn't the entire purpose of the military to force people to do things they don't want to do? Are straight men in this country seriously more frightened of gay men then rockets?
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Isn't the entire purpose of the military to force people to do things they don't want to do? Are straight men in this country seriously more frightened of gay men then rockets?
    Dude, this is America.

    Gays don't even have the right to vote...
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