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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    that's what really pisses me off about this debate; it's grounded completely in bull**** arm chair psychology. no one is arguing that gay men can't serve for real reasons.
    I don't think it's asking too much to wait for peace to implement such a major policy change.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

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    To me it's not about their capability. It's about the majority's actions regarding the woman.

    I'm sure there are plenty of women in the U.S. that have more than what it takes to get down in the **** and tough it out.

    I stated before that I realize it is not fair. But I don't believe that our culture is ready for that yet.
    I'll buy you a drink a drink of your choice if we agree to disagree

    After all I can not think of a way to empirically quantify beyond a doubt our opposing positions unless it actually happened.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    that's what really pisses me off about this debate; it's grounded completely in bull**** arm chair psychology. no one is arguing that gay men can't serve for real reasons.
    Wait, people are arguing that gay men shouldnt serve? I'll have to go back through and read the posts that I skipped
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    I don't think it's asking too much to wait for peace to implement such a major policy change.
    I think the political reality is that if we don't do it now it might not happen. And that's not the fault of the Democrats. Since the Republicans couldn't be reasonable in the 90s, the army has to suffer.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'll buy you a drink a drink of your choice if we agree to disagree

    After all I can not think of a way to empirically quantify beyond a doubt our opposing positions unless it actually happened.
    There's no need for either of us to verbally beat the other to a pulp.

    Of course I'll agree to disagree.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    that's what really pisses me off about this debate; it's grounded completely in bull**** arm chair psychology. no one is arguing that gay men can't serve for real reasons.
    I think Ethereal came the closest with his argument that unit eficiency and cohesion would take a hit. I agree with him actually.

    But you are right; it isn't about gay men's ability to serve. It is more about hetero's inability to integrate.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think Ethereal came the closest with his argument that unit eficiency and cohesion would take a hit. I agree with him actually.

    But you are right; it isn't about gay men's ability to serve. It is more about hetero's inability to integrate.
    which is total bull**** because the army was successfully racially integrated. clearly it's capable of adapting. I really doubt that the straight-gay divide is greater then the white-black divide.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    I think the political reality is that if we don't do it now it might not happen. And that's not the fault of the Democrats. Since the Republicans couldn't be reasonable in the 90s, the army has to suffer.
    I see major US involvement in Iraq ending in the next 2-4 years. If it does Obama and most Democrats will almost certainly be re-elected. Then would be the time to end it, not now. As others have said, it isn't worth the damage it may cause to unit cohesion, despite how irrational the fears of the straight people that cause the damage are.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    I see major US involvement in Iraq ending in the next 2-4 years. If it does Obama and most Democrats will almost certainly be re-elected. Then would be the time to end it, not now. As others have said, it isn't worth the damage it may cause to unit cohesion, despite how irrational the fears of the straight people that cause the damage are.
    And in 2-4 years the memory of Bush's immense evil will be diminished and people will forget that all of his ideas are terrible things, and will thus be less likely to support integration.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    I see major US involvement in Iraq ending in the next 2-4 years. If it does Obama and most Democrats will almost certainly be re-elected. Then would be the time to end it, not now. As others have said, it isn't worth the damage it may cause to unit cohesion, despite how irrational the fears of the straight people that cause the damage are.
    Gays have already been serving and several here that served said they knew some people they served with were gay.

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