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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

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    Prove otherwise and I'll gladly rethink my position.

    I don't know about you, but my parents raised me to protect and resist getting physical with women for the reason that they are usually more fragile physically and emotionally than I am.

    (Keyword USUALLY)
    Your parents taught you misogyny. You may think it's chivalry, but thinking that they are emotionally fragile crossed the line.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Okay...that's fair and I am much less offended than I was about to be.

    Correct me if I am wrong but it seems that you are worried that romantic involvements or attractions may make gay men more likely to act out in protection of the objects of their affections in ways that would hurt the unit much the same way that a hetero male may act out in protection of unit females.

    I can see that point but if I may point out, homos are in the military now and nondisclosure of one's preference isn't going to hinder attractions. Whether DADT is in effect or not, the attractions are going to be there and, so far, I've not seen any rash of homos throwing themselves into the line of fire over their crushes.

    But again, I do see your point.
    Additionally what about masculine friendship? Are we going to ban that too? I've gotten in zero fights over bfs but plenty for my best friends that I've known my whole life. I have to assume soldiers form very compelling- and completely platonic -friendships that distort judgement just as easily as a romantic involvement.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    What I am concerned with is that this will become a femme issue ASAP.
    Meaning what? I'm not following...do you mean the women leveraging this to gain a place on the battlefield.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Meaning what? I'm not following...do you mean the women leveraging this to gain a place on the battlefield.
    Exactly what I mean.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Your parents taught you misogyny. You may think it's chivalry, but thinking that they are emotionally fragile crossed the line.
    I've yet to see anything (experience) that shows me otherwise.

    My parents may have taught me misogyny, if that's the word you choose to label it. But it has proved true more often than not.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    That may be alot of womens perspective. But most every man I know had the protection of women pounded into him throughout his upbringing.

    I honestly don't think much has changed in that respect.


    P.S. You may as well call myself and my peers the "Younger Generation".

    I am 23 years old.
    I'm 42 and I have seen a dramatic change in the perception of women in both myself and culture. If a woman can pass the test to be in the infantry and has that desire I have no problem with it.

    BTW I do open doors for my girlfriend.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Exactly what I mean.
    I think I see your position with crystal clarity now.

    If this were to occur, I think that there is sufficient room for argument to keep it from happening. The arguments of man vs woman still apply even when it is a gay man vs a woman. Well...most gay men anyway.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'm 42 and I have seen a dramatic change in the perception of women in both myself and culture. If a woman can pass the test to be in the infantry and has that desire I have no problem with it.

    BTW I do open doors for my girlfriend.
    To me it's not about their capability. It's about the majority's actions regarding the woman.

    I'm sure there are plenty of women in the U.S. that have more than what it takes to get down in the **** and tough it out.

    I stated before that I realize it is not fair. But I don't believe that our culture is ready for that yet.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    that's what really pisses me off about this debate; it's grounded completely in bull**** arm chair psychology. no one is arguing that gay men can't serve for real reasons.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think I see your position with crystal clarity now.

    If this were to occur, I think that there is sufficient room for argument to keep it from happening. The arguments of man vs woman still apply even when it is a gay man vs a woman. Well...most gay men anyway.
    I hope so.

    I just see it turning into an arguement of sole opinions and a bunch of name calling with sexist thrown in more than its fair share.

    sigh...

    One question though, is the don't ask don't tell policy offensive? Out of all of my gay friends and acquaintences only one has had an issue with it. But he's kind of a bitch anyways.
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