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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

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    Hey, we're supposed to tell now, right?
    Not yet. You have to look at their sausages secretly. Think of yourself as a walking hidden camera.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    Because women and gay men are the same?

    What?

    And I don't see a problem with women serving in combat either. If it works for the Israelis then it will certainly work for us. Though I would say that if they want to they should have to match the same physical fitness standards as men.
    I'm not arguing for or against that.

    What I'm saying is we would see more people trying to get their piece of the "Equality" and the structure of the military would end up vastly changing (I think) that's all.

    I could care less if there are openly gay men anywhere in the military, or the world for that matter.

    I do not support women in the front-lines however. There are too many risks.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post

    I do not support women in the front-lines however. There are too many risks.
    What risks? The IDF has women serving in the front lines.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What risks? The IDF has women serving in the front lines.
    Our culture has raised men to protect women as much as possible. A woman in the heat of battle stirs up emotional actions and set morals that would normally be left at the door.

    I would not say for a minute that it's fair. But life usually isnt.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Our culture has raised men to protect women as much as possible. A woman in the heat of battle stirs up emotional actions and set morals that would normally be left at the door.

    I would not say for a minute that it's fair. But life usually isnt.
    I think you are talking aabout a 1950s mentality not a 21st century mentality or cultral norm.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I think you are talking aabout a 1950s mentality not a 21st century mentality or cultral norm.
    Prove otherwise and I'll gladly rethink my position.

    I don't know about you, but my parents raised me to protect and resist getting physical with women for the reason that they are usually more fragile physically and emotionally than I am.

    (Keyword USUALLY)
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Okay, fair enough.

    What I am saying, is females aren't allowed in the front lines because men will do irrational things in order to protect them.

    I'm sure gay folks already practice this policy (or maybe not) but in order for the military to justify keeping them in the front line they've got to plead ignorance. I.E. "Don't ask, don't tell".

    I don't see that policy so much as discriminatory towards gays as it is protection.


    Like I said, nothing anti-gay about it. I'm merely pondering the amount of water those flood gates will let through.
    Okay...that's fair and I am much less offended than I was about to be.

    Correct me if I am wrong but it seems that you are worried that romantic involvements or attractions may make gay men more likely to act out in protection of the objects of their affections in ways that would hurt the unit much the same way that a hetero male may act out in protection of unit females.

    I can see that point but if I may point out, homos are in the military now and nondisclosure of one's preference isn't going to hinder attractions. Whether DADT is in effect or not, the attractions are going to be there and, so far, I've not seen any rash of homos throwing themselves into the line of fire over their crushes.

    But again, I do see your point.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Okay...that's fair and I am much less offended than I was about to be.

    Correct me if I am wrong but it seems that you are worried that romantic involvements or attractions may make gay men more likely to act out in protection of the objects of their affections in ways that would hurt the unit much the same way that a hetero male may act out in protection of unit females.

    I can see that point but if I may point out, homos are in the military now and nondisclosure of one's preference isn't going to hinder attractions. Whether DADT is in effect or not, the attractions are going to be there and, so far, I've not seen any rash of homos throwing themselves into the line of fire over their crushes.

    But again, I do see your point.
    I'm glad I was able to explain it in a less offensive manner.

    But, no that is not what I am concerned with. Gay men are going to know other gay men in the military already, I am not concerned with that.

    What I am concerned with is that this will become a femme issue ASAP.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Prove otherwise and I'll gladly rethink my position.

    I don't know about you, but my parents raised me to protect and resist getting physical with women for the reason that they are usually more fragile physically and emotionally than I am.

    (Keyword USUALLY)
    I was going to ask you to quantify your position as well. I think over the last several generations the view of women has changed among younger generations. To the point where if a man can do it so can a woman equally as well.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I was going to ask you to quantify your position as well. I think over the last several generations the view of women has changed among younger generations. To the point where if a man can do it so can a woman equally as well.
    That may be alot of womens perspective. But most every man I know had the protection of women pounded into him throughout his upbringing.

    I honestly don't think much has changed in that respect.


    P.S. You may as well call myself and my peers the "Younger Generation".

    I am 23 years old.
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