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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    What? You don't like the ACU? So much easier than BDU. No ****ing boot polishing FTW
    No, it's not that I don't like it, I'm jealous that I didn't have it when I was in

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I also served during that time, and agree that was a lot to take. I still agreed with it because I had an older brother that was denied because he was gay but wanted to serve (it was known locally he was gay so no chance of hiding that), but I can understand your feelings on that will Bill.
    He could of signed up out of town. but that is another story


    I think the times are changing and it is indeed time for a change. I still think the military can handle it. It has changed much since my uncle was in and I think it will change much since I left.
    Indeed they are, at the same time, waiting until these wars are over to me seems to be best course of action if you are going to make this change.



    I mean I am still trying to get over the new Army uniforms they have now, so I understand change can be hard even in the littlest of details, but I think it can be done.

    They suck. they and the Marines had a chance to use crye's multicam which is far superior to any digital pattern...... they failed...


    and do not get me started on the USAF's digital tiger stripes.....
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    He could of signed up out of town. but that is another story
    He wanted military intelligence with a clearance, that would have been found out is why.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Indeed they are, at the same time, waiting until these wars are over to me seems to be best course of action if you are going to make this change.
    Well, that's where I disagree, but I can't tell you for certain who would be wrong or right. I understand your position though, just disagree with it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    They suck. they and the Marines had a chance to use crye's multicam which is far superior to any digital pattern...... they failed...


    and do not get me started on the USAF's digital tiger stripes.....
    The fact they don't have to shine boots or starch the uniforms make me jealous. I spent a lot of money getting that done not to mention when I was lower enlisted they made us do it on our own and took hours.

    I still think when your lower enlisted you should do your own uniforms and boots though, discipline and all.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    So one a day then?

    How much more gradual could it go? It's been 15 years with this stupid policy.


    What a liberal answer to think 15 years is a long time. But even on your time scale it hasn't been openly accepted in the military, so you could start there and move cautiously.



    You got in your partisan shots. Nice. It doesn't help your argument but I'm sure your cat is impressed.
    Of course it helps the argument. I'm British, that bipartisan crap is for Americans, no one talks about being or not being partisan here.


    What unintended consequences?

    Are the queers going to ruin our soil?
    Who knows what consequences there could be, that is the point. Society and institutions are complex and interconnectedness and often have latent functions so it is best to be cautious and attempt piecemeal, gradual change.

    Once this obvious in politics but these days the descendents of Jacobins and Bolsheviks seem to own the stage.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post


    What a liberal answer to think 15 years is a long time. But even on your time scale it hasn't been openly accepted in the military, so you could start there and move cautiously.



    Of course it helps the argument. I'm British, that bipartisan crap is for Americans, no one talks about being or not being partisan here.
    I bolded your partisanship that you deny in the second paragraph for you. It's left/right with you. I don't care what you call the left/right parties in the UK. You are still a partisan along the left/right scale.

    Your cat was impressed wasn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Who knows what consequences there could be, that is the point. Society and institutions are complex and interconnectedness and often have latent functions so it is best to be cautious and attempt piecemeal, gradual change.

    Once this obvious in politics but these days the descendents of Jacobins and Bolsheviks seem to own the stage.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I bolded your partisanship that you deny in the second paragraph for you. It's left/right with you. I don't care what you call the left/right parties in the UK. You are still a partisan along the left/right scale.

    Your cat was impressed wasn't it?
    Read it again, I didn't deny being partisan. I said in Britain that being partisan is normal, it is in the US where you get this bipartisan crap.


    Don't go outside your house. You never know what could happen.

    What's the worst thing you can imagine would come from it?
    We aren't talking about houses but society and institutions although it is characteristic of political rationalism that you apply an enginerring metaphor to politics as if society and institutions were so simplistic as to be apply to be molded by simplistic formulas.

    All I'm saying is caution should be used and change should as far as possible be gradual and piecemeal rather than massive and sweeping in the field of politics. It is a epistomolgical modesty that realises that in social and political affairs humans have many gaps in their understanding so caution is needed. #

    This is ancient Conservative wisdom, in fact along with support for intermediate associations it is basically Conservatism.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    My experience from actual military service, and being openly gay through it, is that it is not an issue. Do you think about what someone is thinking of you sexually during extreme conditions like combat? If so, then you are the one who cannot focus on the mission and you are the one who does not belong in the military. Sex is the last thing on my mind in those situations.
    This coming from an air force guy. So the entire experience boils down to combat? Give me a break. Very little of military life has to do with actual combat. You know this as well as anyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Interesting how people who "do not approve of the lifestyle" do not understand that gays are everywhere, including the military. Chances are you come across one everyday and you probably shared a barrack with at least one.
    Of this I have no doubt. So what? This is about "don't ask, don't tell" remember?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Just because you do not approve of the lifestyle does not mean it is not already near you. To think otherwise is nothing short of denial and is not at all grounded in reality.
    You did not read the rest of the posts did you?

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

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    Wow. Kick over one rock and uncover a writhing, squirming nest of hidden homophobia. Who knew?

    This thread makes me sad.

    This is pretty ignorant. This has nothing to do with fear.

    What part of this are people not understanding?

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Are homosexual men going to be given the same treatment as women based on principle then?

    Trust me, there is no anti-gayness about this. I just don't know how they would justify holding women out of the frontlines if they allow openly gay men.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Are homosexual men going to be given the same treatment as women based on principle then?

    Trust me, there is no anti-gayness about this. I just don't know how they would justify holding women out of the frontlines if they allow openly gay men.
    I really don't want to be offended...but I am finding really hard not to be. So, if you don't mind helping me out here, please explain to me how you arrive at that.

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