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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Like yours it is my opinion. Except my opinion is based on actual military service. Yours is based on, well I have no idea.
    And there are actually polls of those serving that back up your opinion.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

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    No, your eyes fail, especially since the font was designed to be easily read.
    Glad to hear it wasn't a clear type problem though. Next question is, is it configure appropriately?

    Although I do wonder if you even checked because you thought you had to install something.



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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

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    Ask me if I care.
    You don't care?!!!

    Then why were you trying to defend the virtues of the font by saying that it was easier to read? That implies that you do care, mister! Oh, you can pretend all you want, but we know the truth!

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Proof of what? That it would hurt enlistments? Or that it would add to the present enlistment woes?

    Like yours it is my opinion. Except my opinion is based on actual military service. Yours is based on, well I have no idea.

    Even though I have friends who are gay, I do not and would not live with them. I do not approve of the lifestyle, they know this. Why would I want to live etc with someone who is gay in the military?
    My experience from actual military service, and being openly gay through it, is that it is not an issue. Do you think about what someone is thinking of you sexually during extreme conditions like combat? If so, then you are the one who cannot focus on the mission and you are the one who does not belong in the military. Sex is the last thing on my mind in those situations.

    Interesting how people who "do not approve of the lifestyle" do not understand that gays are everywhere, including the military. Chances are you come across one everyday and you probably shared a barrack with at least one. Just because you do not approve of the lifestyle does not mean it is not already near you. To think otherwise is nothing short of denial and is not at all grounded in reality.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Proof of what? That it would hurt enlistments? Or that it would add to the present enlistment woes?

    Like yours it is my opinion. Except my opinion is based on actual military service. Yours is based on, well I have no idea.
    Like I said, if serving with openly gay people would have caused you to not enlist, then that is YOUR problem, not theirs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    Well lets use prop 8 in CA as a yard stick. So you are saying basically that 53% of the people in CA are homophobic? What would the numbers be for the rest of the country?

    The military is much more conservative than CA, so how many "homophobes" are you thinking a "few" is?
    Well, 79% of Americans favor allowing gays to serve openly in the military, including 91% of people aged 18-29...and that was in 2003. If anything I would assume that the public has become more liberal on this issue since then, not less.

    Poll: Overwhelming Support for Gays in the Military

    Even of the 9% of people aged 18-29 who are presumably against it, most of them probably don't care about it enough to actually affect their decision to enlist or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    This has nothing to do with fear of homosexuals, and everything to do with what people think are acceptable morals.
    Acceptable morals? WTF? Is it REALLY such a high priority for you to condemn the "morals" of people with alternative lifestyles who aren't hurting you? Do you think that gamblers, drinkers, smokers, people who curse, and people who engage in premarital sex should be banned from the military too? What would THAT do to enlistment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    whether they are Christians or not is irrelevant.

    Someones religion has much to do with how they perceive homosexuality.
    Then that is their problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    They don't "pretend they are not in the military. They don't want to know who is or isn't. Neither do I.
    Then I suggest that you personally continue "don't ask, don't tell." If you don't ask, they probably won't tell you. But if they do, deal with it and grow the **** up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    Even though I have friends who are gay, I do not and would not live with them. I do not approve of the lifestyle, they know this. Why would I want to live etc with someone who is gay in the military?
    Because you're being paid to do what your superiors tell you to do? Because you want to defend the country? Because you want to travel the world? For any of the other usual reasons people join the military in the first place?
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, 79% of Americans favor allowing gays to serve openly in the military, including 91% of people aged 18-29...and that was in 2003. If anything I would assume that the public has become more liberal on this issue since then, not less.
    I honestly don't think polls of what the People think should carry any weight.
    It's the polls of those serving that should.

    Heck, I don't like polls in the first place so it should be actual studies.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    I honestly don't think polls of what the People think should carry any weight.
    It's the polls of those serving that should.

    Heck, I don't like polls in the first place so it should be actual studies.
    Polls don't really carry much weight to begin with. It's not like the poll will suddenly institute any kind of change. It's just the collected data of what the public opinion is. And as far as that goes, I don't think one has to serve in order for their opinion to be valid.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    lol... maybe so (actually "absolutely!"), but we are the first in and we do most of the damage before other branches go in and finish the job.

    The Air Force can be given credit with ending the first Gulf War quickly. That includes gays who served then.
    I know. There really isn't a branch that isn't integral to the military's overall mission.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Polls don't really carry much weight to begin with. It's not like the poll will suddenly institute any kind of change. It's just the collected data of what the public opinion is. And as far as that goes, I don't think one has to serve in order for their opinion to be valid.
    I think I recognized that with my last sentence.
    But if opinion is to be used, it should be of those the change would directly effect... those who are serving.

    And ... well... those polls show it just wouldn't be a good idea right now.

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