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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    And if you don't think gay sex won't become a problem on post/base/ship if this happens you're nuts.
    Not as big a problem as you think. Again, you seem to think gays are somehow less honorable than you and would not adhere to Navy regulations. Do you somehow think you are better than them?

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You miss the point. And are side tracking into silliness now.

    You work Lt. Joe, you're Chief is gay, you're E-5 is gay. The E-5 get's great evals, they seem to be friendly. Nothing out of bounds, just... friendly.

    Reality is nothing is going between them, but what do you think folks will think?

    Two E-5's fall in love, that's not a problem? We have enough of that crap going on with straight folk.

    And if you don't think gay sex won't become a problem on post/base/ship if this happens you're nuts.
    Same problems that we already have with straight sex. Fraternization is already against regulations.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I hear what you are saying. But if that were a major problem, we would be segregating our units currently. I think that argument is being used as a boogieman. It's not as big as people would want to pretend. I know plenty of white veterans that say "nigger" but never shot a black soldier.
    Its not so much about the prejudice they bring with them, its about the stresses of deployment to combat. Most of the time in combat is not actually fighting. There is alot of down time, and thats usually when stupid **** happens, not during a battle per sey.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    I see no arguments here that haven't been used over the decades as an excuse to discriminate against minorities and women. I'm particularly offended by the suggestion that our soldiers would deliberately frag gays during battle, just as I was offended when the same suggestion was offered decades ago in regards to integrating blacks into the military.

    Discrimination is discrimination, no matter how you dress it up and put lipstick on it.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Its not so much about the prejudice they bring with them, its about the stresses of deployment to combat. Most of the time in combat is not actually fighting. There is alot of down time, and thats usually when stupid **** happens, not during a battle per sey.
    Okay, but people usually don't get killed during that stupid **** do they?
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    You left service in '92? Don't you think the mind-set would change? I mean people I graduated with are much more allowing of homosexuals than older generations.
    I agree that things change with time and this will probably be one of them.
    Your perception, as well as mine may be just that, our perception, and not actuality at all.
    So I guess it boils down to what our perceptions are based on.
    Mine, of the current situation, is third party info for the most part, and comes from remaining in contact with those who did not leave service like I did. They are the ones who are in charge now and have a greater overview as to how things actually are at Command and troop levels.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    BTW, Mr. Vicchio, gay sailors won't get pregnant. You don't have to worry about that.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I see no arguments here that haven't been used over the decades as an excuse to discriminate against minorities and women. I'm particularly offended by the suggestion that our soldiers would deliberately frag gays during battle, just as I was offended when the same suggestion was offered decades ago in regards to integrating blacks into the military.

    Discrimination is discrimination, no matter how you dress it up and put lipstick on it.
    Like I said, the most harm would come from down time in combat and not during combat, IMO. But you are correct that discrimination is discrimination. Its not a huge leap for the military to correct this, since all they would have to do is apply rules already on the books. There doesn't need to be a "gay rights act" per sey, they just need to not care whether somebody is gay or not, and apply the laws evenly just like they do with everyone else.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Okay, but people usually don't get killed during that stupid **** do they?
    I haven't seen it, but I have seen guys beat each other down for things that didn't warrant a beatdown. Its more about an excuse, than a reason.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    I agree that things change with time and this will probably be one of them.
    Your perception, as well as mine may be just that, our perception, and not actuality at all.
    So I guess it boils down to what our perceptions are based on.
    Mine, of the current situation, is third party info for the most part, and comes from remaining in contact with those who did not leave service like I did. They are the ones who are in charge now and have a greater overview as to how things actually are at Command and troop levels.
    Your primary sources outweigh mine, as I have none.
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