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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    That's nice, I don't.
    You left service in '92? Don't you think the mind-set would change? I mean people I graduated with are much more allowing of homosexuals than older generations.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Does equality help the military? Yes, and It helps more than just the military, as Dianna has pointed out
    The militarys job is to break things and kill people, an thing that detracts from that is pointless IMHO.

    Equality for 1% of the population doesn't do much for the military.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    You left service in '92? Don't you think the mind-set would change? I mean people I graduated with are much more allowing of homosexuals than older generations.
    It has changed, for the better. After the Aberdeen incidents the Army changed a lot of their policies, especially for sexual discrimination.

    The same thing would happen with this.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Ideally yes, but unfortunantley the stigma that we are all wiped clean in boot camp and are nice little programmed robots for the government simply isn't true. The military is made up of individuals who still carry their personal issues and fears with them through their service career. Some may carry their prejudices in as well, although I believe the tougher the service, the less discrimination you will have. Special Forces, you won't ever see or hear it because they know the value of each mans contribution moreso than a regular.
    I hear what you are saying. But if that were a major problem, we would be segregating our units currently. I think that argument is being used as a boogieman. It's not as big as people would want to pretend. I know plenty of white veterans that say "nigger" but never shot a black soldier.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The militarys job is to break things and kill people, an thing that detracts from that is pointless IMHO.

    Equality for 1% of the population doesn't do much for the military.
    Apparently that 1% would increase the chances of Americans murdering Americans on the battlefield.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Did you guys know that over 350,000 black men served during WWI even though the military remained segregated until 1948? And then 2 years later even though the Jim Crow laws were going strong and much of the white majority within the U.S. was till under a racist spell, the U.S. entered the Korean war? Boy those social experiments. People sure do care about them until you have to go and fight a war for them.
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    At the cost of disrupting the morale of others, the good of the few out weighs the good of the many? Yes that's good for unit cohesion and morale
    What will the majority be bummed about?
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Not sure if this will help this thread at all, but here is the Army's EO Policy:

    THE ARMY?S EO POLICY (ArmyStudyGuide.com)
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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Alright, so while doing your job, not in port, what time do you have looking for action? If not, why do you think gays would?
    You miss the point. And are side tracking into silliness now.

    You work Lt. Joe, you're Chief is gay, you're E-5 is gay. The E-5 get's great evals, they seem to be friendly. Nothing out of bounds, just... friendly.

    Reality is nothing is going between them, but what do you think folks will think?

    Two E-5's fall in love, that's not a problem? We have enough of that crap going on with straight folk.

    And if you don't think gay sex won't become a problem on post/base/ship if this happens you're nuts.

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    Re: Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The militarys job is to break things and kill people, an thing that detracts from that is pointless IMHO.

    Equality for 1% of the population doesn't do much for the military.
    Ok, so the military won't deliver aid, or perform rescue missions in that case, or even stick around to rebuild some of the **** we broke since all we do is break things and kill people. Toys for Tots, the US Marines are no longer your sponsor.

    Equality for 1% of the population doesn't harm the military either. Why should they be denied?
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