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44 to reverse 43's executive orders

dclxvinoise said:
I'm sorry, but what does it have to do with a stable society? People either get married or they don't. I have friends who have been together for years but don't want to get married because they feel that their love is strong enough without it having to be written on a piece of paper.
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Dicto simpliciter
 
Southern Man said:
Your insurer gives you better rates because they recognize that you are likely to be a more stable person. Thanks for making may argument for me. :cool:
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I can see the stabilty argument, I just don't see how the genders of the participants plays a role in that.

Is there any evidence to suggest that a gay couple that choses to enter into a marriage contract would not be as stable as the straight couple who does the same?
 
Southern Man said:
actually, your taxes are probably higher than they would be otherwise.

Your insurer gives you better rates because they recognize that you are likely to be a more stable person. Thanks for making may argument for me. :cool:
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no, our taxes are in fact lower when married, sorry.

That you think an insurer thinks we are more stable together married, does not negate the fact that we are stable regardless of marriage. You have not made your point that a marriage is what makes a person stable.
 
Tucker Case said:
Not testy at all, just curious. I was wondering what the comment meant, or if it was just a joke.


If it was just a joke, then I apologize for not recognizing it as such.....
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It was a joke, Tuck. That expression is typically used to describe what men do to women, at least in my old-fashioned view of reality.

'So she finally made an honest man out of ya.' ;)
 
TheNextEra said:
no, our taxes are in fact lower when married, sorry.

That you think an insurer thinks we are more stable together married, does not negate the fact that we are stable regardless of marriage. You have not made your point that a marriage is what makes a person stable.
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Then what's this marriage penalty that they're always yappin' about?

You may be a stable as a rock either way, but the actuary says otherwise for society in general. Which again, is exactly my point.
 
TheNextEra said:
You have not made your point that a marriage is what makes a person stable.
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I would say most of all, maturity makes a person stable. Once you grow up, you become stable- whether or not you are married. For instance a 18 year old is not going to become stable simply because they are married, it takes time to get the kind of wisdom to stabilize yourself. Marriage does not settle you down or make your life more stable. You do on your own.
 
Tucker Case said:
I can see the stabilty argument, I just don't see how the genders of the participants plays a role in that.

Is there any evidence to suggest that a gay couple that choses to enter into a marriage contract would not be as stable as the straight couple who does the same?
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I suspect the stability argument would work for gays as well, but that would take the discussion down an entirely different road. A dirt road perhaps? ;)
 
Southern Man said:
Since it was based on a logical fallacy I shan't bother. :mrgreen:
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How is it based on a logical fallacy? You said that marriage leads to a stable society. I asked you how. If you can't answer that then I shan't be continuing the discussion with you as it is pointless to do so with someone who can't back up their assertions.
 
Southern Man said:
Then what's this marriage penalty that they're always yappin' about?
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Penalty? What penalty did I talk about, I said we get bonuses for being married. Lower taxes, I am on her insurance policy from her work, etc.


Southern Man said:
You may be a stable as a rock either way, but the actuary says otherwise for society in general. Which again, is exactly my point.
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No, you are making generalizations without knowing people and their relationships. Just because your relationship may be and "Al and Peggy Bundy marriage", doesn't mean everyone else is.

I just spoke up when you said marriage is what makes a man and woman stable. That is false, it is the relationship that does it and you can't get past that truth.
 
dclxvinoise said:
How is it based on a logical fallacy? You said that marriage leads to a stable society. I asked you how. If you can't answer that then I shan't be continuing the discussion with you as it is pointless to do so with someone who can't back up their assertions.
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Perhaps you should look up the definition of "Dicto simpliciter" in reference to how I used it.

No reason to get testy, by the way. :)
 
Southern Man said:
Perhaps you should look up the definition of "Dicto simpliciter" in reference to how I used it.

No reason to get testy, by the way. :)
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I know what Dicto Simpliciter means. :lol:

And I wasn't getting testy.
 
Southern Man said:
It was a joke, Tuck. That expression is typically used to describe what men do to women, at least in my old-fashioned view of reality.

'So she finally made an honest man out of ya.' ;)
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Sorry.

Apparently, I had my Tucker-tard switch set for "on" with that one. I must have snagged it on the chain attached to my nose ring.


P.S. Nice one on the "dirt road" joke. :mrgreen:
 
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