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    Re: 44 to reverse 43's executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    "Interpretation" is a broad word.
    All three branches, by necessity, "interpret" the Constitution and the law.
    And while the court has a "final say", both the Legislature and the Executive have ways to remove the finality of that say.
    The Court has a final say? That's a judicial invention. Nothing in the Constitution nor in the debates of the Framers says or intended the Court to be the final expositor of Constitutional meaning. I can concede judicial review being implied, but not judicial supremacy. Judicial supremacy completely upsets the constitutional concepts of co-equal branches and checks and balances.

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    Re: 44 to reverse 43's executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    The Court has a final say? That's a judicial invention. Nothing in the Constitution nor in the debates of the Framers says or intended the Court to be the final expositor of Constitutional meaning. I can concede judicial review being implied, but not judicial supremacy. Judicial supremacy completely upsets the constitutional concepts of co-equal branches and checks and balances.
    Yes, well, good luck overturning Marbury.

    The point of my post was that the "final say" of the court isn't really so final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I don't think I'll ever understand the hatred that Conservatives have for San Francisco. Yeah, it's a pretty liberal minded place and it was the hub of the 60's drug era. So what? Honestly, why is San Francisco so horrible?
    After living there, I can tell you the hatred for San Francisco comes from the smell. Some weird amalgam of homelessness, meth, chocolate, and butt grease.

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    Re: 44 to reverse 43's executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    The Court has a final say? That's a judicial invention. Nothing in the Constitution nor in the debates of the Framers says or intended the Court to be the final expositor of Constitutional meaning. I can concede judicial review being implied, but not judicial supremacy. Judicial supremacy completely upsets the constitutional concepts of co-equal branches and checks and balances.
    You argue that judicial supremacy is wrong, but at the same time, argue that executive supremacy is correct. Of course, the real issue here is whether the concept of the "unitary executive" is itself constitutional. I would argue that it's not. If Bush feels that he should not enforce parts of legislation because he feels that it is unconstitutional, his recourse is to veto the legislation. He does not have the option to decide which parts of it he will enforce, since he took an oath to uphold the Constitution. That, in itself, is unconstitutional, and a violation of his oath of office. Same applies to Obama.

    Here is a report by the American Bar Association that addresses this issue in a very straightforward manner, and in a way that is consistent with the Constitution.
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    Re: 44 to reverse 43's executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    After living there, I can tell you the hatred for San Francisco comes from the smell. Some weird amalgam of homelessness, meth, chocolate, and butt grease.
    I hear that combination smells like Chanel No. 5.

    I always imagined San Francisco to be really beautiful, but that's probably only because I've seen Vertigo too many times. I'm sure it's changed significantly since then.

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    Re: 44 to reverse 43's executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I hear that combination smells like Chanel No. 5.

    I always imagined San Francisco to be really beautiful, but that's probably only because I've seen Vertigo too many times. I'm sure it's changed significantly since then.
    Anything south of market, the tenderloin, and anything in the haight-ashbury area is just...sad. SF really is a ****hole.

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    Re: 44 to reverse 43's executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I don't think I'll ever understand the hatred that Conservatives have for San Francisco. Yeah, it's a pretty liberal minded place and it was the hub of the 60's drug era. So what? Honestly, why is San Francisco so horrible?
    San Fran Nan.

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    Re: 44 to reverse 43's executive orders

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    San Fran Nan.
    And she alone makes San Francisco worthy of hating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    And she alone makes San Francisco worthy of hating?
    Its the people who vote for her.

    That and the whole gay marriage thing with Mayor Gavin, trying to force it down America's throats.

    And the 9th Circuit court.

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    Aren't they a sanctuary city as well? And how much federal bailout did they get on the last earthquake?

    Geez Louise, the list just goes on and on.

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