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Ohio teen convicted of killing mom over video game

Tucker Case said:
My imaginary kids have impeccable imaginary manners. I'll not have you besmirching their imaginary good name, sir!
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Your imaginary welfare check is also in your imaginary mail.
 
This is another example of societal blame-mongering. Music makes 'em do it. Movies make 'em do it. Television makes 'em do it. Video games make 'em do it.

No, homicidal rage makes them do it... the same kind of rage expressed by narcissistic kids (and adults) who don't get what they want when they want it.

Hundreds of millions of people play video games on a weekly or even daily basis. I'm one of them. Nobody will ever convince me that a 17 year old doesn't know that "dead is forever." He's not the first kid who has killed his parents because they stood between him and something (or someone) they wanted; he won't be the last.

As for video game addictions, I suppose they can be addicting to certain personalities... just as gambling can be an addiction, porn can be an addiction, any kind of "pleasurable" activity can be an addiction. I've got a friend who's addicted to fishing. He'd fish from sunup to sundown every day... and has. Lost his job because he couldn't tear himself away from fishing long enough to go to work. Lost his home, his family. He didn't care as long as he was fishing. Sound stupid? To him it was all-consuming, and if someone had piled up his fishing poles and burned them, I've no doubt he would have been capable of committing murder.

Enough with the blame-game, already. People are responsible for their own behavior. If a kid sees somebody shot in a movie or on tv, then goes out and shoots someone himself because he thinks it would be fun, it's not the movie's fault, it's the kid's fault.

For example, if anyone tried to filch my copy of Fallout 3, I hope they've made out their will, because I'm coming for 'em... big time. :mrgreen:
 
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Let's study the phenomenon and then make up our minds, eh?
 
bhkad said:
Let's study the phenomenon and then make up our minds, eh?
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Do you feel the same way about all the things I listed above as well? Or just picking and choosing where you feel like being a bit fascist in your views?
 
bhkad said:
Let's study the phenomenon and then make up our minds, eh?
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Meh, jallman beat me to it. This is the same kind of impotent blame-gaming as with rock music before and the roleplaying causing kids to commit suicide fit some parents had.
 
DiAnna said:
No, homicidal rage makes them do it... the same kind of rage expressed by narcissistic kids (and adults) who don't get what they want when they want it.
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You know, by the time I was 17 I had a job and most of what I owned had been earned by my own labors.

I've managed to live this long without killing anyone, but I don't think I would tolerate having someone else decide that they are free to take what belongs to me. Under those circumstances, it wouldn't take very much to cause me to turn violent. Telling me either that it was "for my own good" would likely be more than enough.

Worth considering.
 
Is this how you read the proffered article?

CHAMPAIGN, Ill. — Results from the first long-term study of online videogame playing may be surprising.

Contrary to popular opinion and most previous research, the new study found that players’ “robust exposure” to a highly violent online game did not cause any substantial real-world aggression.

After an average playtime of 56 hours over the course of a month with “Asheron’s Call 2,” a popular MMRPG, or “massively multi-layer online role-playing game,” researchers found “no strong effects associated with aggression caused by this violent game,” said Dmitri Williams, the lead author of the study.

Players were not statistically different from the non-playing control group in their beliefs on aggression after playing the game than they were before playing, Williams said.

Nor was game play a predictor of aggressive behaviors. Compared with the control group, the players neither increased their argumentative behaviors after game play nor were significantly more likely to argue with their friends and partners.

“I’m not saying some games don’t lead to aggression, but I am saying the data are not there yet,” Williams said. “Until we have more long-term studies, I don’t think we should make strong predictions about long-term effects, especially given this finding.”
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No strong link seen between violent video games and aggression
 
Goobieman said:
Given that you haven't done anything to support your assertion that kids grabbing their parents guns and killing them is an everyday event in America...

No. You, on the other hand, are free to do so.
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I guess the sarcasm was lost on you? :roll:
 
Zyphlin said:
Do you feel the same way about all the things I listed above as well? Or just picking and choosing where you feel like being a bit fascist in your views?
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Is this a subject of which you'd rather remain blissfully uninformed?

I'd like to know whether these games impact the behaviors of our young people so we can make intelligent decisions on their use.
 
bhkad said:
Is this a subject of which you'd rather remain blissfully uninformed?

I'd like to know whether these games impact the behaviors of our young people so we can make intelligent decisions on their use.
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I'd like to know whether the war impacts the behaviors of our young people so we can make intelligent decisions on it's use.
 
This article was written to generate the very controversy occurring in this discussion. It draws the obvious correlation between video games and violence, but it does so with lack of evidence. People are always looking for simple explanations for why negative aspects of society are why they are, but sometimes the answer is complex. In any case, put the blame where it belongs: with the person.

Also, teens are not stupid. They can distinguish between reality and fiction, unless they have a pre-existing mental problem, in which case a video game won't make a damn bit of difference. It's the old fuddy duddies who don't know how to use a computer or play a video game that assume it's so close to reality that people can't tell the difference. This foolishness is perpetuated by an older generation that can't use today's technology.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I'd like to know whether the war impacts the behaviors of our young people so we can make intelligent decisions on it's use.
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I won't go there with you, but good luck with that, IT2.

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bhkad said:
I won't go there with you, but good luck with that, IT2.

:2wave:
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And you would be pretty smart not to. I knew lots of people before they went to Viet Nam and they were not the same when they came back. All through history people have blamed outside sources for what is wrong with thier offspring when mostly it is bad parenting mental illness in the child or a combination of both.

Moe
 
moe said:
And you would be pretty smart not to. I knew lots of people before they went to Viet Nam and they were not the same when they came back. All through history people have blamed outside sources for what is wrong with thier offspring when mostly it is bad parenting mental illness in the child or a combination of both.

Moe
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Although I note that the Army has developed interactive videogame recruiting 'tools'. I think someone even started a thread to that effect.
 
7thKeeper said:
Meh, jallman beat me to it. This is the same kind of impotent blame-gaming as with rock music before and the roleplaying causing kids to commit suicide fit some parents had.
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Oh...Oh god. I roleplay, I am heading off to a Metallica concert tomorrow, and I just got done playing Counter Strike last night . . . I'm the next Bundy!

bhkad said:
Is this a subject of which you'd rather remain blissfully uninformed?

I'd like to know whether these games impact the behaviors of our young people so we can make intelligent decisions on their use.
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I have no problem with people doing studies on this. I am against banning it for 5 years while we study it which is what you've long cheered for. And I assume is what you're still pushing because just "studying" it is already being done.

But oh friend of Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman, you've not answered my question. Murders and deaths have happened due to Books, Television, Sports, Movies, recreational hunting, firing ranges, car racing, and more. All of which are also considered "safe". Do you feel the same fascist thoughts that THOSE should also be banned for 5 years while we study the effects they have on people?

Now please excuse me, I just got done playing Sim City so I'm going to head out and go take a test to become a city planner since naturally all games cause me to immedietely think I can do everything in the game perfectly and in the real world.
 
Zyphlin said:
Oh...Oh god. I roleplay, I am heading off to a Metallica concert tomorrow, and I just got done playing Counter Strike last night . . . I'm the next Bundy!



I have no problem with people doing studies on this. I am against banning it for 5 years while we study it which is what you've long cheered for. And I assume is what you're still pushing because just "studying" it is already being done.

But oh friend of Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman, you've not answered my question. Murders and deaths have happened due to Books, Television, Sports, Movies, recreational hunting, firing ranges, car racing, and more. All of which are also considered "safe". Do you feel the same fascist thoughts that THOSE should also be banned for 5 years while we study the effects they have on people?

Now please excuse me, I just got done playing Sim City so I'm going to head out and go take a test to become a city planner since naturally all games cause me to immedietely think I can do everything in the game perfectly and in the real world.
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In the gamer world are there any smart NEUTRAL animated figures or bipartisan entities?

I ask that because you have singled me out for scorn because I committed three unforgivable sins:

Call for long term studies of the link between random violence in this country and video gaming.

Said nice things about Joe Lieberman.

Said nice things about Hillary Clinton.

Some people would say that I was being downright moderate and reasonable.

Do extremists have the necessary mindset to be good city planners?
 
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What do you mean by "random violence"?

When was America without violence?
 
Tucker Case said:
Can someone belong to a "random violence" club? Does that make it organized violence?
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Depends on club activities. If you commit acts of violence against each other, then it's organized. If you go out into the community and randomly attack people like little old ladies or orphans, then it's still random violence.
 
Tucker Case said:
Can someone belong to a "random violence" club? Does that make it organized violence?
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Only if they flip a coin when deciding whether to commit violence or not.
 
Ikari said:
Depends on club activities. If you commit acts of violence against each other, then it's organized. If you go out into the community and randomly attack people like little old ladies or orphans, then it's still random violence.
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What if you beat up the little old ladies and orphans according to height?
 
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