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Ohio teen convicted of killing mom over video game

americanwoman said:
I kinda agree with Bkhad. I don't share his extremist views, but I do find lots of these interactive violent games a little too violent and real. This kid is 17, I don't know how old he was when it happened, it didn't say, but Halo 3 is most likely an MA game for mature adults- which a 17 year old is not. I just think we have created a violent society where violence is celebrated and we are just reaping those seeds with these things happening almost daily and most people acting like that type of thing is normal. You can't show a nipple on tv without people having heart attacks but violent murders don't blink an eye, what's up with that?
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What extremist view?

I say the impact of video games on random violence in America needs to be studied.

That's hardly extreme.

Care to re-assess your characterization?
 
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bhkad said:
What extremist view?

I say the impact of video games on random violence in America needs to be studied.

That's hardly extreme.

Care to re-assess your characterization?

:poke
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Well I'm not going to take the time to research your posts (unless you deny it) but you have said before a couple of times all video games should be banned for 5 years. You said that, yes?
 
bhkad said:
What extremist view?

I say the impact of video games on random violence in America needs to be studied.

That's hardly extreme.

Care to re-assess your characterization?
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It is extreme because you are just focusing it on video games. What about tv or movies? They are just as, if not more violent. It boils down to parental responsibility.
 
americanwoman said:
I kinda agree with Bkhad. I don't share his extremist views, but I do find lots of these interactive violent games a little too violent and real. This kid is 17, I don't know how old he was when it happened, it didn't say, but Halo 3 is most likely an MA game for mature adults- which a 17 year old is not. I just think we have created a violent society where violence is celebrated and we are just reaping those seeds with these things happening almost daily and most people acting like that type of thing is normal. You can't show a nipple on tv without people having heart attacks but violent murders don't blink an eye, what's up with that?
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Halo 3 came out last year I think.
 
Hatuey said:
Would you like to try again?
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Given that you haven't done anything to support your assertion that kids grabbing their parents guns and killing them is an everyday event in America...

No. You, on the other hand, are free to do so.
 
Goobieman said:
Given that you haven't done anything to support your assertion that kids grabbing their parents guns and killing them is an everyday event in America...
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.....I wonder whether bhkad also advocates studying why kid grab their parents guns and kill em on what seems like an everyday event in America. But I seriously doubt it.
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Want to spot the difference? Or should I explain to you what a strawman is?
 
Hatuey said:
Want to spot the difference? Or should I explain to you what a strawman is?
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Yes. It SEEMS to you.
This is where your substitution of reality comEs in.

How many people over the age of 18 were killed, with a firearm, by someone under the age of 18?
 
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I remember when my parents took away my Super Mario Three. I tried to beat them with a racoon tail.
 
shiznit770 said:
It was sarcasm. If you want to place blame, look to the parents who raised the kid and then tried to forcefully change a bad situation.
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Well then your comment comes back into play.

Parenting needs to be targeted.

Do we want the Obamacops to become like China's civilian cops, who snitch and enforce laws amongst their peers, and who will arrest parents who aren't stern enough (or whatever enough) for the government?

I just want to study the problem.

You have already concluded there IS a correlation.

Let's not jump to conclusions.
 
Goobieman said:
Yes. It SEEMS to you.
This is where your substitution of reality comEs in.

How many people over the age of 18 were killed, with a firearm, by someone under the age of 18?
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Why the red herring?

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/tjvfox.pdf

Remaining just above one percent of the population, black males ages 14-24 now constitute 17
percent of the victims of homicide and over 30 percent of the perpetrators. Their white
counterparts remained about 10 percent of the victims, about 18 percent of the perpetrators, yet
declined in proportionate size of the population.
Guns, and especially handguns, have played a major role in the surge of juvenile murder
. Since 1984, the number of juveniles killing with a gun has quadrupled, while the number killing with all
other weapons combined has remained virtually constant.

The largest increase in juvenile homicide involves offenders who are friends and acquaintances
of their victims.
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http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/tjvfox.pdf

As shown is Figure 9, the most significant
growth in terms of victim-offender patterns in
juvenile homicide is found among friends and
acquaintances (see also Table 4). With the
spread of guns among a youthful population,
combined with the cumulative, desensitizing
effects of media-glamorized violence, it has
become too easy for juveniles to engage in
deadly disputes over small, even trivial,
matters--such as a pair of sneakers, a leather
jacket, a challenging glance, or no reason at all.

While the negative socializing forces of
drugs, guns, gangs and the media have become
more threatening, the positive socializing forces
of family, school, religion and neighborhood
have grown relatively weak and ineffective.
Increasingly, children are being raised in homes
disrupted by divorce or economic stress; too
many children emerge undersocialized and
undersupervised. Too many of them do not have
the benefit of a strong, positive role model in
their lives.
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Are we going to bring up anymore red herrings for the night?
 
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Well, I think the kids parents should have hit up up down down left right left right B A start before he killed them and then they would have had extra lives!

It's their own fault for not inputting the code.
 
Hatuey said:
Why the red herring?
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Red herring?
Seems to me that you have this perception that, every day, kids kill their parents with a gun.

Just seeing if you actually had any reality upon which you based that perception.

It appears that you do not -- just as I suspected.
 
Goobieman said:
Red herring?
Seems to me that you have this perception that, every day, kids kill their parents with a gun.
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Sure and?

Just seeing if you actually had any reality upon which you based that perception.

It appears that you do not -- just as I suspected.
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Lol - So there was no point to asking for statistics on how many 18 year olds are killing 18 year olds? Once again Goobieman proves by snorting gunpowder is more dangerous then smoking weed and driving with your kid tied to your windshield.
 
Hatuey said:
Sure and?
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You proposed I had posted a red herring.
Obviuously that's not the case.

So there was no point to asking for statistics on how many 18 year olds are killing 18 year olds?
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That's not what I asked you -- reading comprehension, please.

How many people over the age of 18 (adults) were killed by people under ther age of 18 (kids)?

2007: 287
Expanded Homicide Data Table 4 - Crime in the United States 2007

If all of these adults were a parent of the offender, and every single one of them used a gun, then it STILL doesn't happen 'every day'.

Since the numbers -- that is, reality -- do not support your 'perception', then one of two things is true:
-Your 'perception' is in error;
-You are substituting actual reality with your own.

Which of the above will you admit to?
 
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bhkad said:
Not every life long smoker dies of cancer or heart disease.

Ever think you'd be in the same rhetorical boat as the heads of Big Tobacco?
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HAHAHHAHAHA

Are you seriously...SERIOUSLY...trying to equate the number of cancer cases linked to smoking cigerettes in a ratio in regards to the amount of smokers to the amount of people who do violence and blame it on video games to the number of people that play video games.

Really?

REALLY!?

Wow I'm just...

The idiocy of that notion is beyond fully putting into words.
 
bhkad said:
It shows in your comment above that excuses game related deaths by comparing those relative few (it SHOULD be zero if it was as safe as some gamers would contend) people who died due to Game Craziness with the millions who have died from smoking.
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People kill people in while driving, even though they're considered "safe". We should ban cars for five years.

People have been killed while hunting, even though its considered "safe". We should ban hunting for five years

People have been killed in firing range accidents but ranges are supposed to be safe. We should ban firing ranges for vie years

People have been hurt by guns in the house. And if we've banned hunting ranges and hunting there's no reason not just ban guns by the pr ivate citizenry for five years.

People have killed people over religion even though its said to be safe to practice religion. We should ban religion for five years.

People have killed others over shopping which is supposed to be safe. We should ban shopping for five years.

People have killed others over political differences when political discourse is supposed to be safe. We should ban political discussions for five years.

People have been killed playing football although football is supposed to be safe in regards to death. We should ban football for five years.

People have been killed emulating things they've seen on TV or movies even though TV and movies are thought to be safe. We should ban TV and movies for five years.

People have killed people emulating things from or inspired by books, which are considered safe. We should ban books for five years.

Your line of thinking is absolutely fascist, which isn't exactly surprising given your posting history. You claim to be a conservative yet repeatedly on this issue you strive to completely destroy the ideas of capitalism and freedom. You use faulty, poor logic that if applied to anything else by another poster you'd be screaming at them. You claim people defending video games to be bias, applying characterisits to them based in nothing but anectodal opinion while ignoring your very OWN biases and characteristics.

You are nothing more but a hack on this topic, akin to the likes of Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, and Jack Thompson. On this issue you show yourself to be a disgrace to anyone that believes in the constitution, freedom, personal responsability, and capitalism.

Now excuse me, I just got done playing Madden 09 like I've done for over a decade and so magically I've decided I'm going to go outside and be able to throw the football exactly like Petyon Manning...you know, because games just twist peoples minds to do and think things that make no sense at all. You'll see me in the NFL next year, I'm sure.
 
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How about we start holding people accountable for their actions rather than finding some big bad boogey man to blame for the actions of people?
 
**** like this continues to happen... but god forbid you discipline your kids.

**** that. My boys know damn well if they get out of line the Dad hand comes down. How many of you wanna place wagers on my children getting to this point over anything?

People need to start beating these puks. It worked before, it'll work again.

P.S. :spank:
 
Shewter said:
**** like this continues to happen... but god forbid you discipline your kids.

**** that. My boys know damn well if they get out of line the Dad hand comes down. How many of you wanna place wagers on my children getting to this point over anything?

People need to start beating these puks. It worked before, it'll work again.

P.S. :spank:
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You don't have to beat them. You do have to make consequences for their behavior though.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
You don't have to beat them. You do have to make consequences for their behavior though.
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Of course. However, you are unable to so much as spank your children around here without people freaking out.

I am not surprised when I see **** like this because of the absurd notion that spanking your children is considered abuse.
 
Shewter said:
Of course. However, you are unable to so much as spank your children around here without people freaking out.

I am not surprised when I see **** like this because of the absurd notion that spanking your children is considered abuse.
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Spanking my children wouldn't be abuse, but that's because they are imaginary.
 
Tucker Case said:
Spanking my children wouldn't be abuse, but that's because they are imaginary.
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Imaginary children need discipline too!

Just think about all of the imaginary trouble they'd get into?
 
Shewter said:
Imaginary children need discipline too!

Just think about all of the imaginary trouble they'd get into?
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My imaginary kids have impeccable imaginary manners. I'll not have you besmirching their imaginary good name, sir!
 
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