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U.S. Thwarted Israeli Plan to Bomb Iranian Nuclear Facility

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U.S. Thwarted Israeli Plan to Bomb Iranian Nuclear Facility

By Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 11, 2009; A10

President Bush last year rejected an Israeli request to provide sophisticated, deep-penetration bombs to attack Iran's underground nuclear enrichment facilities, Pentagon officials said yesterday.

The administration also rebuffed Israel's plan to fly through U.S.-controlled Iraqi airspace to reach the Iranian site, officials said. The Israelis had not proposed a specific date for an attack, and it was not clear how far along the planning was when the requests were made, officials said.

The Israeli requests were first reported on the New York Times Web site yesterday. The Times also said that President Bush, seeking to deflect the Israelis and to soften his refusal, told the government of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that he had authorized a new covert action program to sabotage Iran's uranium enrichment program. The report quoted U.S. officials as saying that some actions had been taken as part of what it described as an ongoing covert program, but that they had not seriously affected Iranian operations. Israel and the United States and principal European allies have charged that Iran has a secret nuclear weapons program, a charge Tehran has denied.

Officials with the Israeli Embassy and the CIA declined to comment last night. A White House spokesman could not be reached for comment.

Some factions within the Bush administration have long advocated a U.S. military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, but military leaders and others have argued against it on the grounds that it could endanger U.S. troops in the region and spark a broader war in the Middle East, and that it would probably only temporarily set back Iran's efforts.

U.S. Thwarted Israeli Plan to Bomb Iranian Nuclear Facility

More at link.

This gives greater credence to my theory that the US invaded Iraq to prevent a broader war in the Middle East.

I invite all those who doubted my belief to join in here and comment on how this impacts your doubts about the US motivations for invading.

:cool:
 
U.S. Thwarted Israeli Plan to Bomb Iranian Nuclear Facility

By Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 11, 2009; A10



U.S. Thwarted Israeli Plan to Bomb Iranian Nuclear Facility

More at link.

This gives greater credence to my theory that the US invaded Iraq to prevent a broader war in the Middle East.

I invite all those who doubted my belief to join in here and comment on how this impacts your doubts about the US motivations for invading.

:cool:

I would like to see you connect the 2 events. I don't think there is a connection, but I am open to the possibility. Convince me.
 
Israel needs to shut its ****in' mouth about who (and who does not) have nuclear weapons. They refused to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. So they can just go **** themselves!

They have no say so whether Iran gets nukes or not. Until they sign that treaty, it's none of their god-damn business!
 
Israel needs to shut its ****in' mouth about who (and who does not) have nuclear weapons. They refused to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. So they can just go **** themselves!

They have no say so whether Iran gets nukes or not. Until they sign that treaty, it's none of their god-damn business!

LOL, it's none of their business indeed.

Iran has an open policy "Destroy Israel" and you think Israel has no say? You're nuts. People like you need a reality check. If and when Iran says "we have the bomb" Tehran will be a glowing parking lot, or Tel Aviv will, either way you'll never understand how so many voices like yours helped cause it.
 
I would like to see you connect the 2 events. I don't think there is a connection, but I am open to the possibility. Convince me.

One of my shortcomings is an inability to understand what others can't grasp of something that seems apparent to me.

I will try to convince you but I can't really comprehend what it is you can't see.

It's like trying to see the color blue. I can't explain what it looks like. To my mind you can either see it or you can't.

But here goes.

To prevent a broader war President Bush refused Israel the munitions and right of way to deliver those munitions on Iran.

To prevent a broader war President Bush prevented Israel from attacking Saddam's perceived WMD facilities. To negate the WMD threat and allay Israel's concerns, in addition to several other reasons, we gave Saddam his walking papers.
 
To prevent a broader war President Bush prevented Israel from attacking Saddam's perceived WMD facilities. To negate the WMD threat and allay Israel's concerns, in addition to several other reasons, we gave Saddam his walking papers.

Nothing but your own speculation. You have no evidence or proof to support this other than to think you could read Bush's mind. You are building connections where their are none by inserting speculation that helps complete your point of view that the invasion of Iraq was a good and justifiable thing.
 
I would like to see you connect the 2 events. I don't think there is a connection, but I am open to the possibility. Convince me.
You got a set of jumper cables? We'll show you connections you won't believe.
 
Nothing but your own speculation. You have no evidence or proof to support this other than to think you could read Bush's mind. You are building connections where their are none by inserting speculation that helps complete your point of view that the invasion of Iraq was a good and justifiable thing.

Iraq War Launched to Protect Israel - Bush Adviser
by Emad Mekay

WASHINGTON - IPS uncovered the remarks by Philip Zelikow, who is now the executive director of the body set up to investigate the terrorist attacks on the United States in September 2001 -- the 9/11 commission -- in which he suggests a prime motive for the invasion just over one year ago was to eliminate a threat to Israel, a staunch U.S. ally in the Middle East.

Iraq War Launched to Protect Israel - Bush Adviser
 
Israel needs to shut its ****in' mouth about who (and who does not) have nuclear weapons. They refused to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. So they can just go **** themselves!

They have no say so whether Iran gets nukes or not. Until they sign that treaty, it's none of their god-damn business!

Iran signed onto the non-proliferation treaty; which means......nothing.

Everyone has a SAY in nuclear proliferation. Just because they don't sign what amounts to a completely useless unenforceable piece of paper doesn't mean they don't have a say.

Now back to the cause of all this concern; are you okay with Iraq having a nuke? Frankly, after all the UN posturing and Liberal blather, Iran hasn't slowed down its steady march to nuclear weaponry.

I feel so much safer knowing that they signed that nuclear proliferation treaty however. :roll:
 

Too funny; the IPS and some no-name nutjob named Emad Mekay has such immense credibility that the FACTS and the Joint Resolution have nothing to do with us being in Iraq.

Here’s your first clue; if not even a Bush hating New York Times will carry a story like this, it’s probably make believe.

Carry on.

:rofl
 
First, l would like to take a moment to gloat by saying "I called it". Second of all, although it was a setback, refusing to sell the munitions to Israel is no way means they won't attack. They have the capability to build deep-penetration munitions of their if they choose. In the Gulf War, we built some in 28 days using 8 inch artillery barrels filled with explosives. Israel has the capability to build something similar if they have a dire need to do so. I would still argue that the larger problem is in getting a way to deliver the munitions to the target. Israel will most likely have to secure an airbase in one of the Iran's neighbors, or purchase some new aircraft. Although this will delay the attack, it will not stop Israel from stopping Iran's nuclear program if they are truly determined to do so.
 
U.S. Thwarted Israeli Plan to Bomb Iranian Nuclear Facility

By Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 11, 2009; A10



U.S. Thwarted Israeli Plan to Bomb Iranian Nuclear Facility

More at link.

This gives greater credence to my theory that the US invaded Iraq to prevent a broader war in the Middle East.

I invite all those who doubted my belief to join in here and comment on how this impacts your doubts about the US motivations for invading.

:cool:

My guess (you asked). The US doesn`t want to start another war over there. If the Iranians NUKE Israel ,I think we should end all future war with the muslim world by eliminateing ALL zealots in the muslim world. One by one by one `forever` till you really do have only LOVEING muslims left. Stay the course Israel.
 
Israel needs to shut its ****in' mouth about who (and who does not) have nuclear weapons. They refused to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. So they can just go **** themselves!

They have no say so whether Iran gets nukes or not. Until they sign that treaty, it's none of their god-damn business!

Bill ,so when your brothers in arms ,IRAN ,nukes Israel for not signing a UN treaty it`ll be OK ?
 
Too funny; the IPS and some no-name nutjob named Emad Mekay has such immense credibility that the FACTS and the Joint Resolution have nothing to do with us being in Iraq.

Here’s your first clue; if not even a Bush hating New York Times will carry a story like this, it’s probably make believe.

Carry on.

:rofl

In short: The article misinterprets the story of what Zelikow said.

The details: First of all, consider that I am a loyal American, HUGE GWB supporter and believe the war was in the USA's and the World's best interest. So, why would I introduce a story such as this which seemingly casts the USA and President Bush in an inaccurately unflattering light?

Because it contains a singular report which provides the piece to the puzzle that the President and the Administration fails to disclose and it fills in the blanks better than the opposition's stories which slam the President's invasion motivation.

The President, for whatever reason, doesn't want to make clear exactly what his motivations were for going toward regime change beyond the Cease Fire resolution violations (the Casus Belli), the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act, and the perception of WMD's (which explains the need for haste in taking action).

His critics have taken the KNOWN facts and weaved them into what they contend is an airtight case for wrong actions and a bad, unnecessary war.

But somewhere between the President's story, which he confidently and tantalizingly says will be revealed to history after we are gone from the scene, and the varied 'indictments' of his actions by the legions of critics lies this singular fact: there was nothing of real interest to the USA which was threatened by Saddam's WMD's - if they existed. We had no bases or facilities that Saddam would have wasted a nuke on. The ONLY American interest that Saddam could have threatened which would have prompted our action was our ally Israel.

If Saddam had threatened Israel with WMD's it would have grave implications.

Emad Mekay's story suggests we would have sought to protect Israel from destruction. But we all know that Israel has a bristling and robust military capability. So why would we care if Saddam threatened Israel if Israel could have dealt with the threat itself, without our help?

Because of what might happen if Israel struck Iraq without apparent provocation. It could start a broader war. And THAT is what I say this story about the Israeli's desire to attack the IRANIAN Nuclear program helps illuminate.

Whenever Israel is threatened she neutralizes that threat herself. And she'd have done so in the case of Iraq's WMD's just as she sought to do so with Iran's Nuclear program. But in BOTH cases GWB prevented Israel from acting by initiating substitute courses of action.


As I said, this story seems true it is just interpreted incorrectly...in an inaccurately biased and incorrect way. Emad Mekay interprets the story to make it seem like we were protecting Israel. One can speculate as to why he might have done this.

But what he wants us to believe are the facts of the account can also be interpreted to read that the USA was trying to protect the Middle East from a broader war that might have broken out if Israel had been allowed to protect itself from Saddam's perceived WMD's.

As I have said before this is very difficult for me to explain because I see it very clearly and I can't know what part you can't grasp nor how to explain it to you any better than I'm trying to do here.
 
My guess (you asked). The US doesn`t want to start another war over there. If the Iranians NUKE Israel ,I think we should end all future war with the muslim world by eliminateing ALL zealots in the muslim world. One by one by one `forever` till you really do have only LOVEING muslims left. Stay the course Israel.

I certainly agree with Israel staying the course!
 
Israel needs to shut its ****in' mouth about who (and who does not) have nuclear weapons. They refused to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. So they can just go **** themselves!

They have no say so whether Iran gets nukes or not. Until they sign that treaty, it's none of their god-damn business!

Ok. Billo.

It's time for your to stop with the Caterite-ish anti-jew behavior.
 
OK. It's time for everyone to get back on topic, please.
 
Ok. Billo.

It's time for your to stop with the Caterite-ish anti-jew behavior.
Jimmy Carter did more for Israel than you will ever do in your entire life.

He brought peace with Egypt.

What have you done?

Now, respect bkhad's wishes and get back on topic.
 
I invite all those who doubted my belief to join in here and comment on how this impacts your doubts about the US motivations for invading.

:cool:

PR Stunt.
Bush refuse Israel over Iran? Hah.
I have more chances of believing Taliban wants peace.

On reasons, oil and control over ME. Iraq is in stratgeic position. Probably to protect their favourite ally seeing Iran is very near Iraq, the same Iran that Israel is scared is going to get Nukes ...
 
And we should not skip over the issue of top secret info being printed in the NYT.

How would you feel if you were the undercover operative trying to disable Iran's nuclear program from within and have this information come out in the *&#!@% %@&()#+ New York Times????!!!!

If I made it out safely I'd come back to the USA and do dirty deeds to the person(s) responsible.
 
And we should not skip over the issue of top secret info being printed in the NYT.

How would you feel if you were the undercover operative trying to disable Iran's nuclear program from within and have this information come out in the *&#!@% %@&()#+ New York Times????!!!!

If I made it out safely I'd come back to the USA and do dirty deeds to the person(s) responsible.

This was the first thing that hit me. The article I read also said names were left out to protect individuals (like it matters). The version I read also described other various attempts to sabotage Iran's nuclear progress, including feeding them faulty centrifuges. Let me see if I can find it.
 
U.S. rejected aid for Israeli raid on Iranian nuclear site

I believe this is the original article in the Times. Some interesting details in it, though his sources all spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Some of the details:

- specifics of the arms proposal between US and Israel
- white house interpretation of the 2003 "Iran stopped building nukes" report
- the dilemma of if Israel tries to go ahead with the bombing (flying over American controlled Iraqi airspace)
- miscellaneous covert efforts to disrupt Iran's nuclear process

I think he did a fair job being objective in his analysis, making few conclusions and letting the interview content speak for itself.
 
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