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    Re: 'UN drafting ceasefire plan that would reinstate PA in Gaza'

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    How is starving children protecting Israeli sovereignty? It's not like these rockets are ICBM's or even Scud's. They're home made bombs that have killed 15 people in 8 years. That's hardly a threat to Israeli sovereignty.

    And they did not lift the blockade! You can't say the blockade was lifted when you allow 90 trucks instead of 70, when they need 700!
    The sending of rockets into Israel from Gaza is an act of war. If it even injures ONE person, Israel has the right to react. You are defending the right of Hamas to send rockets across the border with impunity?

    I was referring to the previous opening of the border, not the temporary one that just recently happened.

    As for UNSC Resolution 1860, it falls far short and actually indicates a cease fire should be accomplished PRIOR to a full Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.

    Quote Originally Posted by UNSC Resolution 1860 - Operative Clause 1
    1. Stresses the urgency of and calls for an immediate, durable and fully respected cease fire, leading to the full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza;
    The meaning is pretty clear. The onus is on Hamas to accept the resolution, which they have said that they REFUSE to do because they were not consulted. Israel has no obligation to unilaterally cease fire nor do they have an obligation to withdraw their troops until a cease fire is effectuated.

    Operative clause five also calls for the ceasing of all illicit shipments of arms into Gaza.

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    Re: 'UN drafting ceasefire plan that would reinstate PA in Gaza'

    What is shooting at UN relief trucks have to do with Israeli sovereignty?
    Thursday, January 08, 2009
    UN Halts Relief Work in Gaza; Driver Killed by Israeli Fire;
    Starvation Looms for Civilians


    The UN is halting its relief works in Gaza, after an Israeli tank fired on a UN truck, killing the driver:


    ' "The IDF knows all of our movements, and coordinates. Despite that we are still coming under attack," says Chris Gunness, a spokesman for the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA). "Until the [Israeli Defense Forces] can guarantee the safety and security of our staff, everything is suspended."'


    It is hard not to suspect that the Israeli army doesn't actually want the aid workers in Gaza (they have already excluded reporters) because of what the workers find when they look into the rubble of buildings the army has hit. AP writes:
    Go ahead, I can't wait. There is nothing Israel can do that any one of you apologists would object too. They could burn 6 million muslims in ovens and you'd find some reason why it was necessary.

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    Re: 'UN drafting ceasefire plan that would reinstate PA in Gaza'

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    What is shooting at UN relief trucks have to do with Israeli sovereignty?
    Go ahead, I can't wait. There is nothing Israel can do that any one of you apologists would object too. They could burn 6 million muslims in ovens and you'd find some reason why it was necessary.
    It is a freaking WAR ZONE. Do you have ONE SHREAD of evidence that it was intentional? Heck, sometimes troops eve fire at their own. I am sure that is intentional too.
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    Re: 'UN drafting ceasefire plan that would reinstate PA in Gaza'

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    I think I'm right on the money.

    How can you say Israel has the right to punish innocent men, women and children?
    The innocent men, women and children are used the way Israel uses tanks and they have more power than any one tank.

    Destroy a tank = *Yawn*

    Accidentally kill an innocent = HEADLINE NEWS + CRIES OF BRUTALITY + PROTESTS

    The Palestinians are killing their innocents to strike a blow at your conscience. They are manipulating you and you are bending over and allowing them to do it.

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    Re: 'UN drafting ceasefire plan that would reinstate PA in Gaza'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The sending of rockets into Israel from Gaza is an act of war. If it even injures ONE person, Israel has the right to react. You are defending the right of Hamas to send rockets across the border with impunity?
    I'm not saying that at all. Where did I say those rockets were okay? Show me the post where I said that?
    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I was referring to the previous opening of the border, not the temporary one that just recently happened.
    The blockade has been going on for 18 months. Ever since Hamas was elected.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    As for UNSC Resolution 1860, it falls far short and actually indicates a cease fire should be accomplished PRIOR to a full Israeli withdrawal from Gaza.
    I don't care if Israel stays or goes from Gaza. The just can't target civilian infrastructure that is not part of the hostilities.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The meaning is pretty clear. The onus is on Hamas to accept the resolution, which they have said that they REFUSE to do because they were not consulted. Israel has no obligation to unilaterally cease fire nor do they have an obligation to withdraw their troops until a cease fire is effectuated.
    Israel refused to lift the blockade, that's why they said no. They shouldn't even have to say no. The blockade is illegal.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Operative clause five also calls for the ceasing of all illicit shipments of arms into Gaza.
    There are no arms in Gaza that threaten Israeli security. 15 dead in 8 years is not a threat to the IDF.

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    Re: 'UN drafting ceasefire plan that would reinstate PA in Gaza'

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    The innocent men, women and children are used the way Israel uses tanks and they have more power than any one tank.

    Destroy a tank = *Yawn*

    Accidentally kill an innocent = HEADLINE NEWS + CRIES OF BRUTALITY + PROTESTS

    The Palestinians are killing their innocents to strike a blow at your conscience. They are manipulating you and you are bending over and allowing them to do it.
    Oh I get it.

    The Palestinian's kill their own children, then hang on to the carcass and wait for an Israeli air-strike, then run over and place their dead relatives under the rubble and wait for the media to report the casualties.

    Yeah, that's reasonable.

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    Re: 'UN drafting ceasefire plan that would reinstate PA in Gaza'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It is a freaking WAR ZONE. Do you have ONE SHREAD of evidence that it was intentional? Heck, sometimes troops eve fire at their own. I am sure that is intentional too.
    Like I said, you'll excuse anything they do.

    Read the link instead of asking me questions.

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    Re: 'UN drafting ceasefire plan that would reinstate PA in Gaza'

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    Hamas wants the blockade to end.

    Israel should just end it. It has nothing to do with any negotiations. What Israel is doing is a war crime. There is nothing Hamas has done that gives Israel the right to starve Gazan children.
    Israel wants the rocket attacks on her citizenry to end and to no longer be targeted for destruction by Hamas.

    Hamas should just end it and recognize Israel. It has nothing to do with negotiations. What Hamas is doing is a war crime and an example of waging aggressive war. There is nothing that Israel has done that gives Hamas the right penetrate her borders, attack her citizenry and refuse to call for her destruction.

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    Re: 'UN drafting ceasefire plan that would reinstate PA in Gaza'

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    Israel should just settle for the rockets to stop. **** this **** about recognizing Israel! Israel doesn't recognize the Palestinian's right to be left alone without interference. Israel doesn't recognize international law. And after turning Gaza into a virtual prison, Israel doesn't recognize humanity. Because you cannot collectively punish 1.5 million people over the actions of a few.
    No, Billo, that doesn't cut it. Without the recognition, the Hamas intent to destroy Israel remains, as does the threat. Nothing less is acceptable.

    If the Gazans want this to end, they are responsible for ending it. If they do not do something, the blood is on their hands.
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    Re: 'UN drafting ceasefire plan that would reinstate PA in Gaza'

    Quote Originally Posted by Billo_Really View Post
    15 dead in 8 years is not a threat to the IDF.
    Sovereignty is an absolute. It is not dependent whatsoever on a kill ratio as you so disingenously suggest.

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