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    Re: Gaza incursion sparks EU anti-Semitism fears

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    To sazerac, Sgt. Rock and the general readership:

    How do you think Islamic population levels in Europe impact this anti-semitism?


    United States -- Muslim 1.0%

    Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
    Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
    Denmark -- Muslim 2%
    United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
    Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
    Spain -- Muslim 4%
    Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
    Sweden -- Muslim 5%
    The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
    France -- Muslim 8%

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    Oh would you look at that, less than 5% in alot of them.
    As long as no one attempts to pin this one on Muslims too.

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    Re: Gaza incursion sparks EU anti-Semitism fears

    Protesting against Israel does not make you an anti-semite. I think the media needs to be careful in its portrayals of the protests, as I could see how this would get spun to make a lot of protestors be cast in an ugly light.

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    Re: Gaza incursion sparks EU anti-Semitism fears

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I can partly confirm this.. News from around Europe show huge protests, even violent aimed towards Israeli embassies.
    Err.... First off, protests that become huge in nature have a tendency regardless of where you are in the world, to turn violent, especially if there are elements among the protesters who's goal is to create such violence (anarchists and other nutjobs), and if the local law enforcement is trigger happy.

    And one thing for sure in Europe (vs the US) is that we have a large anarchist movement in many countries that love large protests, because it means they can promote their violent anarchist views to the fullest. Look at May day "riots" targeting US owned property in many European countries.. totally promoted and done by anarchist groups.

    And also, protesting near or next to Israeli and American embassies triggers all sorts of security crap that forces local law enforcement to forcing people away when crowds get to big, which they often do not want to do... and then the fun starts.

    Secondly, the same amount of "huge protests, even violent" protests have happened against the US, EU, UK, random nation abusing its populace, random organisation that someone is pissed it. Farmer protests, that block roads, and dump produce in front of random political establishment... they are just if not more violent than these protests.

    When the US invaded Iraq, there were huge protests in front of the US embassy, UK embassies, and other embassies participating in the invasion. Some were "violent" when some idiot started throwing stuff or the local police got bored and wanted to "move" people and they resisted.

    In other related activities I have seen "extremists" calling for a European military intervention in Israel, acting on behalf of Palestine..
    They have been calling for that since forever. Nothing new there. Has nothing to do with anti-semitism in Europe. Just one part of the populace that have a different view on the situation and see Israel as the one to blame for everything.. you know the opposite of what most of the US populace and these boards see of the situation. I have not seen many calling American's for Islamophobes and racist ... although one could easily argue this based on the way critical views of Israel are viewed..

    Shameful increase in antisemitism which is clearly becoming more visible.
    While anti-semitism is shamefull as much as any other minority bashing, dont confuse legit protest against the state of Israel for what said state is doing, with racist anti-semitism of idiot morons who hate jews. Are there jew haters among the protests? You bet, but does that make it an anti-semitistic protest? Hell no. If so, then any white man protesting Obama would be a racist black hater, and every man protesting a woman would be a chauvinistic woman hater.

    Some in the media and especially the US media always promote the idea (direct or indirect) with the full backing of the state of Israel, that any protest or critical mention of Israel has to be the work of anti-semites that hate Israel and dont forget to mention the holocaust!!!..

    It is time to look past the cloak of being a Jew, or Muslim or Christian and look at the political realities of the situation, but as long as both sides use religion in their political manoeuvring then it will never happen.

    But again, dont mix up legit protests against the actions of the State of Israel with anti-semitism.
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    Re: Gaza incursion sparks EU anti-Semitism fears

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Err.... First off, protests that become huge in nature have a tendency regardless of where you are in the world, to turn violent, especially if there are elements among the protesters who's goal is to create such violence (anarchists and other nutjobs), and if the local law enforcement is trigger happy.

    And one thing for sure in Europe (vs the US) is that we have a large anarchist movement in many countries that love large protests, because it means they can promote their violent anarchist views to the fullest. Look at May day "riots" targeting US owned property in many European countries.. totally promoted and done by anarchist groups.

    And also, protesting near or next to Israeli and American embassies triggers all sorts of security crap that forces local law enforcement to forcing people away when crowds get to big, which they often do not want to do... and then the fun starts.

    Secondly, the same amount of "huge protests, even violent" protests have happened against the US, EU, UK, random nation abusing its populace, random organisation that someone is pissed it. Farmer protests, that block roads, and dump produce in front of random political establishment... they are just if not more violent than these protests.

    When the US invaded Iraq, there were huge protests in front of the US embassy, UK embassies, and other embassies participating in the invasion. Some were "violent" when some idiot started throwing stuff or the local police got bored and wanted to "move" people and they resisted.



    They have been calling for that since forever. Nothing new there. Has nothing to do with anti-semitism in Europe. Just one part of the populace that have a different view on the situation and see Israel as the one to blame for everything.. you know the opposite of what most of the US populace and these boards see of the situation. I have not seen many calling American's for Islamophobes and racist ... although one could easily argue this based on the way critical views of Israel are viewed..



    While anti-semitism is shamefull as much as any other minority bashing, dont confuse legit protest against the state of Israel for what said state is doing, with racist anti-semitism of idiot morons who hate jews. Are there jew haters among the protests? You bet, but does that make it an anti-semitistic protest? Hell no. If so, then any white man protesting Obama would be a racist black hater, and every man protesting a woman would be a chauvinistic woman hater.

    Some in the media and especially the US media always promote the idea (direct or indirect) with the full backing of the state of Israel, that any protest or critical mention of Israel has to be the work of anti-semites that hate Israel and dont forget to mention the holocaust!!!..

    It is time to look past the cloak of being a Jew, or Muslim or Christian and look at the political realities of the situation, but as long as both sides use religion in their political manoeuvring then it will never happen.

    But again, dont mix up legit protests against the actions of the State of Israel with anti-semitism.
    I partly disagree.. These protests are nothing new and they are easily big and violent, precisely because these people are anti-semitic.

    Also as for Islamophobes, there are many of those in the US and many of those on the forums here, they are no better than the antisemitism movement.

    I basically agree with all of the rest you write, but on an important note, its worth mentioning that all christians are anti-judaism and all jews are anti-christs.. This is also partly a reason why antisemitism is more frequent in Europe than say the US, we have a much larger proportion of Catholics(more extreme than protestants).
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    Re: Gaza incursion sparks EU anti-Semitism fears

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Do not relate turban with terrorism. Sikhs are being mistaken as Muslims because of their turban

    American's seem no better when it comes to hating a religion.. other than they target others for "looking" Muslim, on top of going after true Muslims.

    Am I embarrassed about the acts of attacks against Jewish targets and Jews in Europe? You bet, but dont come here at tell me that it is unusual for people to react emotionally and stupidly in times of conflict and try to strike back what ever way they can.

    Like it or not Israel's actions has damaged the world view of Israel, just as US actions has damaged the world view of the US and Al Q actions has damaged the world view of Muslims. Trying to gain political capital by using the feared "anti-semetic" term and trying to use guilt yet again .. is pathetic.
    Israel is about to ramp up the attacks on Gaza. You say Israel has damaged its world view by its actions (of self defense). Well I for one am proud of Israel for taking a stand and defending herself. Many of my friends feel the same way. Eight years of rocket attacks, they should have done this along time ago.

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    Re: Gaza incursion sparks EU anti-Semitism fears

    Anti-Semitic incidents cross Australia

    SYDNEY, Australia (JTA) -- A Sydney Jewish man was attacked during a pro-Palestinian rally and a major Melbourne synagogue was painted with anti-Israel slogans.
    Anti-Semitic incidents cross Australia | JTA - Jewish & Israel News
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    Re: Gaza incursion sparks EU anti-Semitism fears

    In political climate such as this, it is in human actions to attack those they percieve as behind it.
    Its wrong yes, but i wonder how many cases we would have seen if we made a thread straight after 9/11 and 7/7 of Mosques being burned down and Muslims attacked.

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    Re: Gaza incursion sparks EU anti-Semitism fears

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    They dont mean anything. Protests in Norway for example have been of the very most violent and radical. Those in France have been less so.
    Like when they burn cars?
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    Re: Gaza incursion sparks EU anti-Semitism fears

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    Like when they burn cars?
    Yeah? Have there been protests over the Israel-Palestine situation where the French have burnt cars?

    Sure I saw a lot of molotovs and similar things in the Norwegian newspapers, but burning cars, havent read the French doing that against the Israelis.
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    Re: Gaza incursion sparks EU anti-Semitism fears

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Israel is about to ramp up the attacks on Gaza. You say Israel has damaged its world view by its actions (of self defense). Well I for one am proud of Israel for taking a stand and defending herself. Many of my friends feel the same way. Eight years of rocket attacks, they should have done this along time ago.

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