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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    The United States did have to attack the Taliban, in retaliation to what happened on Sept. 11th. I do agree that sometimes force is needed, and, at that time, Bush made the right decision in regards to Afghanistan. He had the whole world behind him, too, including most Middle Eastern countries.

    After that, we all know what happened next. If Bush would have solely focussed on Afghanistan, this world would be a different place. Unfortunately, Afghanistan looks like a lost cause at present, as there is not near enough troops there to stabilize the country.
    In retaliation, exactly.
    It wasn't to make the world safer. It was for revenge.
    US has never had such a attack to such a large scale and when it did occur it shocked many people and straight afterward they felt anger and wanted revenge. That is what i noticed.
    US did not want to bring democracy to Muslim countries, i saw and i still see Iraq and Afghanistan to a extent as a way for the US Government to get revenge for what happened to them. I did not see justification for it.
    Straight after 9/11, i could see within my own community and mosque a slow radicalization of the boys and my youngers brothers towards the US.
    The West demonstrated when it attacked 2 countries, [Afghanistan can be argued ofc] that it is just as bad as the terrorists it wanted to remove.

    United States/UK/Coalition of the willing did a great disservice to democracy imo in the Middle East.

    He HAD the world on his side.
    Bush had a wonderful way of removing the sympathy of 9/11.
    Even Muslims understood the need to bring the people behind it to justice and to a level, i can agree with Afghanistan and Taliban but to then go straight to another country was then moved above justice for 9/11 and onto a attack on ME/Muslim countries and was seen to a lesser extent an attack on Islam itself.
    Bush had set the tone of the wars the second he used the word "crusade".
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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Peanut Martyr and Jelly time....
    That's funny....
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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post

    It's either them or us.

    I hope the Israeli's keep pounding the Palestinians. I hope they keep at this for months. Hamas sends in one rocket, Israel stuffs 30 into the place it came from. If there is a school, mosque or hospital in the vicinity... tough darts.

    You asked for it, you'll get it... in spades. That has to be the message. Zero tolerance.
    I don't agree with that ridiculous mentality,
    If being on your side means i have to support military action which will result in civilian deaths and increase the problem rather than resolve it then i will not be on either side.
    I do not support terrorism but i refuse to support those actions.

    I hope EU/UK cuts off all trade to Israel and shuns it from the international community but we can't all get what we want.

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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    In retaliation, exactly.
    It wasn't to make the world safer. It was for revenge.
    US has never had such a attack to such a large scale and when it did occur it shocked many people and straight afterward they felt anger and wanted revenge. That is what i noticed.
    US did not want to bring democracy to Muslim countries, i saw and i still see Iraq and Afghanistan to a extent as a way for the US Government to get revenge for what happened to them. I did not see justification for it.
    Straight after 9/11, i could see within my own community and mosque a slow radicalization of the boys and my youngers brothers towards the US.
    The West demonstrated when it attacked 2 countries, [Afghanistan can be argued ofc] that it is just as bad as the terrorists it wanted to remove.

    United States/UK/Coalition of the willing did a great disservice to democracy imo in the Middle East.

    He HAD the world on his side.
    Bush had a wonderful way of removing the sympathy of 9/11.
    Even Muslims understood the need to bring the people behind it to justice and to a level, i can agree with Afghanistan and Taliban but to then go straight to another country was then moved above justice for 9/11 and a attack on ME/Muslim countries and to a lesser extent a attack on Islam itself.
    Bush had set the tone of the wars the second he used the word "crusade".
    I have to disagree to a large extent with the "revenge" theory. I know it's popular among the crowd critical of Bush (count me among them), but I think it's off base. I believe the wider agenda among the Neo-Cons was to take advantage of the opportunity to actually invade Iraq, unseat Saddam, and seat a government friendly to a U.S. influence in the region. It fit their strategy for rebuilding America's defenses perfectly. They just didn't really plan it out at all. It was a rush to war to seize and opportunity and Bush & Co. thought that it would be a cakewalk. They simply disregarded the geopolitical environment of Iraq, and to a large extent the entire Middle Eastern region, and went for it.

    While Bush probably wanted revenge, the invasion was more motivated by a group strategy, and I don't think revenge was on their minds. I think "sphere of influence in an oil rich region" was.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Obviously not.
    I wonder what the hell he thinks a martyr is?
    If he'd grown up Catholic, he'd damn sure know.
    I thank god I`m not catholic. As to "what is a martyr"? Jesus Christ,we are talking about two dead Al-Queda leaders...A whole different breed of GOOD MARTYRS. Nice shooting CIA.

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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I have to disagree to a large extent with the "revenge" theory. I know it's popular among the crowd critical of Bush (count me among them), but I think it's off base. I believe the wider agenda among the Neo-Cons was to take advantage of the opportunity to actually invade Iraq, unseat Saddam, and seat a government friendly to a U.S. influence in the region. It fit their strategy for rebuilding America's defenses perfectly. They just didn't really plan it out at all. It was a rush to war to seize and opportunity and Bush & Co. thought that it would be a cakewalk. They simply disregarded the geopolitical environment of Iraq, and to a large extent the entire Middle Eastern region, and went for it.

    While Bush probably wanted revenge, the invasion was more motivated by a group strategy, and I don't think revenge was on their minds. I think "sphere of influence in an oil rich region" was.
    Im not saying it was entirely correct, im saying it is one of the perceptions of US's actions.

    I agree and look what has occured.
    Im personally of the opinion that US screwed up the region, now fix it yourselves.
    Bush had a wonderful climate, Americans were in fear of this new threat against them that threatened their way of life. I think they would have signed away their bill of rights straight after 9/11 if it guaranteed their safety.

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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Not impossible.

    We do it in a similar as we handled the Nazi's but in a 21st century manner. Keep thumping them every time they turn around.
    I fail to see an semblance between fighting Nazi Germany and fighting an idealism. Anyway, the majority of Islamist terror groups operate on a flat organizational structure and are spread across regions of the world and are motivated by a sense of religious direction and revenge. Not quite the same setup we saw in Berlin in the 30's and 40's.
    It's either them or us.
    That's not the case at all.
    I hope the Israeli's keep pounding the Palestinians. I hope they keep at this for months. Hamas sends in one rocket, Israel stuffs 30 into the place it came from. If there is a school, mosque or hospital in the vicinity... tough darts.
    And that is the attitude that ensure there will never be peace in that region. When you discard the value of human life, when you abandon recognition of the innocent caught in the battlefield, you become what you fight. Your attitude makes you no different than Hamas other than you are probably making your statements sitting from the comfort of a safe residence in the CONUS or Europe.
    You asked for it, you'll get it... in spades. That has to be the message. Zero tolerance.
    Given the context of your message I take it you like W. Does his complete failure at foreign policy give you any cause at all to examine your opinion here?
    Last edited by Lerxst; 01-10-09 at 06:57 PM.
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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Im not saying it was entirely correct, im saying it is one of the perceptions of US's actions.
    I would agree with you on this point. It certainly has been argued and many have taken that point of view around the world.

    I agree and look what has occured.
    Im personally of the opinion that US screwed up the region, now fix it yourselves.
    We did go in there and make one hell of a mess.
    Bush had a wonderful climate, Americans were in fear of this new threat against them that threatened their way of life. I think they would have signed away their bill of rights straight after 9/11 if it guaranteed their safety.
    And I agree with you on this. Witness all of the "if you ain't a terrorist you got nothin' to hide" mentality of those defending parts of the Patriot Act and chastising those who opposed it.
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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    There hasn't been another attack on American soil yet there has been on the allies of this war.
    That's right, because we stopped them.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's right, because we stopped them.
    Great, Americans hasn't suffered another attack yet.
    You can never be certain of what will occur.

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