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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    ZIMMER: In college I sat down with some PLO in a school in Dayton Ohio. I wanted to get some answers,and they gave freely. None of their answers however cover repeatedly fireing missiles into Israel. Your 1:30 ratio seems very appropriate. I am unaware of any terrorist factions from Israel blowing up innocent anyones anywhere.
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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    What is the point of making a statement like "if they fire one missile Israel should fire 30 back! if a school or hospital is hit tough darts!" or whatever? What does that mindset accomplish or prove?

    The solution to the problem is not revenge. Neutralize the threat obviously, but calling for overkill and simply saying that innocent lives do not matter makes you no better than the enemy you are retaliating against.

    Why even pretend you are the good guy if you are so willing to adopt an attitude that makes you just as evil?
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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    What is the point of making a statement like "if they fire one missile Israel should fire 30 back! if a school or hospital is hit tough darts!" or whatever? What does that mindset accomplish or prove?

    The solution to the problem is not revenge. Neutralize the threat obviously, but calling for overkill and simply saying that innocent lives do not matter makes you no better than the enemy you are retaliating against.

    Why even pretend you are the good guy if you are so willing to adopt an attitude that makes you just as evil?
    I don`t know how much overkill this tactic is. The intent is to end their capabilities to continue to terrise Israel. The hospital ,school ,shelter hits on the part of Israel is necessitated by the chicken Palistinians setting up launchers on the roof tops of these very facilities. These launchers are very mobile and if the Israeli military waited till they go t there to catch those darned bad guys , they and their terrorist toys would be long gone. An immediate strike on a military target will kill innocents if the launchers again are set up in neighborhoods....BLA BLA BLA. Thats all you hear. Its a real problem caused by the PLO. Again 30:1 good ratio. Thats how America ended the Nazi problem and the problem in the pacific. WAR SUCKS.... Don`t start one if you don`t want to be hit back.

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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I think I agree with you on this, assuming that by "lessening" you mean a shift to a more moderate, tolerant attitude within Islam needs to occur. And I would wholeheartedly agree
    A more moderate attitude yes but also i think its dangerous when 1 religion dominates as it crushes all other forms of discussion. So the attitude of this is right and that is it.

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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    I don`t know how much overkill this tactic is. The intent is to end their capabilities to continue to terrise Israel. The hospital ,school ,shelter hits on the part of Israel is necessitated by the chicken Palistinians setting up launchers on the roof tops of these very facilities. These launchers are very mobile and if the Israeli military waited till they go t there to catch those darned bad guys , they and their terrorist toys would be long gone. An immediate strike on a military target will kill innocents if the launchers again are set up in neighborhoods....BLA BLA BLA. Thats all you hear. Its a real problem caused by the PLO.
    Thirty rockets blanketing a civilian occupied area where a single rocket came from is the definition of overkill. Indiscriminate carpet bombing in retaliation for a single rocket launch is a terrorist tactic. If Israeli soldiers were taking fire from a single sniper from an apartment building occupied by 200 civilians and in response fired rockets into the building through every window then went in and shot numerous people because they might be an escaping sniper...and said "oh well, too bad, the civilians were in the area and they had to go." That would be a terrorist act in response to the situation. Indiscriminate killing. What is the difference? You don't blanket a populated urban area with rockets to get a couple of guys. It's bad ju ju.

    Again 30:1 good ratio. Thats how America ended the Nazi problem and the problem in the pacific.
    You aren't a student of modern warfare are you?
    WAR SUCKS.... Don`t start one if you don`t want to be hit back.
    I can agree with this.
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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Thirty rockets blanketing a civilian occupied area where a single rocket came from is the definition of overkill. Indiscriminate carpet bombing in retaliation for a single rocket launch is a terrorist tactic. If Israeli soldiers were taking fire from a single sniper from an apartment building occupied by 200 civilians and in response fired rockets into the building through every window then went in and shot numerous people because they might be an escaping sniper...and said "oh well, too bad, the civilians were in the area and they had to go." That would be a terrorist act in response to the situation. Indiscriminate killing. What is the difference? You don't blanket a populated urban area with rockets to get a couple of guys. It's bad ju ju.


    You aren't a student of modern warfare are you?

    I can agree with this.
    This isn`t modern warfair the PLO is useing...those are tin cans with ignitors on them. Israel is useing state of the art guided missiles in an attempt to hit the target...terrorists. It is time for this to end and it seems half of palistine might have to die before they accept defeat. PLO / STOP THIS SILLYNESS,YOU`VE LOST.IT`S OVER. PEACE IS GOOD IN THIS KIND OF SITUATION.

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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    This isn`t modern warfair the PLO is useing...those are tin cans with ignitors on them. Israel is useing state of the art guided missiles in an attempt to hit the target...terrorists. It is time for this to end and it seems half of palistine might have to die before they accept defeat. PLO / STOP THIS SILLYNESS,YOU`VE LOST.IT`S OVER. PEACE IS GOOD IN THIS KIND OF SITUATION.
    Not only is peace good in this situation, it's a whole hell of a lot healthier.
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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    PLO / STOP THIS SILLYNESS,YOU`VE LOST.IT`S OVER. PEACE IS GOOD IN THIS KIND OF SITUATION.
    That really depends on whether they feel their lives are worth living.
    From what I've read, many of them seem to feel that their situation is intolerable, their lives unlivable, and it's all Israel's fault.
    In that situation, there's no reason for them to stop fighting.
    Whether the die (likely) or defeat Israel (unlikely) they'll still be better off than if they just stop fighting.
    That may be their perspective, at any rate.

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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney View Post
    This isn`t modern warfair the PLO is useing...those are tin cans with ignitors on them. Israel is useing state of the art guided missiles in an attempt to hit the target...terrorists. It is time for this to end and it seems half of palistine might have to die before they accept defeat. PLO / STOP THIS SILLYNESS,YOU`VE LOST.IT`S OVER. PEACE IS GOOD IN THIS KIND OF SITUATION.
    I was referring to the whole "this is how we beat Nazi Germany and Japan" thing you were talking about. We didn't beat them by a 30:1 bombing ratio. It was much more than complicated than that.

    Modern warfare describes weapons and tactics that have come about during and after World War 2. Hence my comment. What Hamas is doing is in fact engaging in modern warfare because they are engaged in battle with the IDF and utilizing modern assault rifles, some Russian anti-tank missiles like the Sagger, anti-tank and anti-personnel land mines, remote detonated IED's, a small quantity of Russian man portable Surface to Air missiles, RPG's, grenades, and modern urban warfare tactics. Yes they are using Qassam rockets, which are truly rudimentary by modern standards, but that is just one piece of equipment they are using. Just because Israel truly outclasses them in weaponology and tactics doesn't mean this isn't modern warfare.

    This is part of the problem when it comes to debating topics like this. The devil is in the details. Details will sneak up on you.
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    Re: Jan. 1 Attack By CIA Killed Two Leaders Of Al-Qaeda

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    That really depends on whether they feel their lives are worth living.
    From what I've read, many of them seem to feel that their situation is intolerable, their lives unlivable, and it's all Israel's fault.
    In that situation, there's no reason for them to stop fighting.
    Whether the die (likely) or defeat Israel (unlikely) they'll still be better off than if they just stop fighting.
    That may be their perspective, at any rate.
    I hear ya. "Intolerable" has started a lot of fights and kept them going. We have been there for all of their wars,and my guess is when they take out Irans nuke structures ,in the next year, we will be there and drawn into it. I`m not a big fan of watching Israels people and infrastructure fry at 10,000 degrees. How do we fast forward and get the muslim world into the 21st century?

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