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I never tire of seeing that.
Obama shouldn't even get involved, let Hamas and Israel kill each other.
Just the fact that they shoot rockets at civilians is a legitimate reason for Israel to get jumpy. If canada shot rockets at the US, there would be a serious and grave response.
I don;t agree with many Israeli tactics, but I can understand why they are rightfully pissed. I would be.
At the same time, I can also understand why the palestinians get pissed.
Just the fact that they shoot rockets at civilians is a legitimate reason for Israel to get jumpy. If canada shot rockets at the US, there would be a serious and grave response.
I don;t agree with many Israeli tactics, but I can understand why they are rightfully pissed. I would be.
At the same time, I can also understand why the palestinians get pissed.
I'm just about in this camp. I think it's horrible that neither side is willing to drop this issue. There's been too much war already, but they seem more than happy to keep plodding along with more. They can do as they like, but we should stay out of it.
But ntice that when Israel gets pissed, they target Hamas leaders and Hamas staging points.
When the Palestinians...errrr...Arabs and Muslims get pissed, they send in suicide bombers and fire rockets to kill as many civilians as possible.
I understand what they're doing and why they say do it. But I have the moral courage to avoid drawing the absurd equivalencies that you and other must render to justify the Palestinians totally unacceptable behavior.
I would be too, i don't say that Israel doesn't have the right to retaliate. It is the scale and carelessness it has shown and especially the extent it has gone at it.
I personally now believe Israel wants to re occupy Gaza.
Riiight, they're jackasses (what an absurd way to describe terrorists :roll: ) because we offend them.
That's genius right there.
And no one has ignored Hamas. Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah are almost always in some diplomatic state or another.
So a more serious effort would be? What? More and more and more and more and more and more and more talking?
You think like a child.
It is that simple.
Israel should be condemned because she can effectively defend herself? That's lunacy.
And that would be appropriate given that Gaza has effectively turned into a terror state attacking Israel.
The problem is?
When was the last time there was a sucessful suicide attack in Israel killing civilians? A few years ago if i remember correctly.
Lmao, target Hamas?
It has hit UN and schools. It targets civilians like Hamas.
The difference? Hamas is honest at what it aims for.
Hmm.When was the last time there was a sucessful suicide attack in Israel killing civilians? A few years ago if i remember correctly.
It has hit UN and schools. It targets civilians like Hamas.Lmao, target Hamas?
And...so what? So, I guess the Arabs and Muslims were running out of "volunteers" to kill themselves they begged Iran to arm them with rockets so they could launch attacks with impunity and raise the body count, eh?
Hmmm, what did I hear last night on NPR...oh yeah, Israel was dropping leaflets in neighborhoods in Gaza telling residents to evacuate because Israel was going to attack Hamas facilities there.
But ntice that when Israel gets pissed, they target Hamas leaders and Hamas staging points.
When the Palestinians...errrr...Arabs and Muslims get pissed, they send in suicide bombers and fire rockets to kill as many civilians as possible.
I understand what they're doing and why they say do it. But I have the moral courage to avoid drawing the absurd equivalencies that you and other must render to justify the Palestinians totally unacceptable behavior.
Hmm.
Do you suppose Israel's efforts at securing her border haev anything to do with that?.
Where did I say that is why they are jackasses? I said "maybe" as in hypothetically.
That's not a very good ad hom. :mrgreen: Maybe you should call me a stinky poo-poo head or something? I like that one.
Yes. So why the big deal if the US does so as well?
Perhaps
You're right. Claiming that trying to discussing things instead of resorting to violence is so childish. I remember that being taught in kindergarten so it must be childish.
You think the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is "simple" but I'm the one thinking like a child?
That's an odd way of viewing the world, IMO.
What stinking liberal arrogance.
They should just get over it.
~sheesh~
We shouldn't stay out of it. We should be willing to defend legitimate democracies from terrorist and socialist thugs. Instead, we get this sickening liberal arrogance that says Israel should get over the fact that her neighbors want and continue to attempt to wipe her off the map.
LOL
There is apparentley thousands willing to blow jews up but Iran [Yes Israel, go say thank you to Ahmadinejad] has refused and forbidded fighting.
:rofl
LOL
Oh yes, drop a leaflet and they can run WHERE?
Another area of Gaza where soldiers are fighting and dropping bombs?
Attacking civilians. Hamas is the only side being honest about it.
It says something about the morality of a country when it cannot even admit it makes a mistake when it attacks a school filled with children does it not?
Doesn't Taliban and Al Qaeda use those methods?
No, for being honest about it.
Yeah, Iran is standing in the way of their proxy groups killing Jews. :roll:
.Evacuate the neighborhood. It's a clear signal that the Israeli's are not targetting the civilians that your pals in Hamas deliberately put in harm's way
Huh? Yet another poster with an apology fetish. Israel has expressed its regret and righly points out that your pals are the ones responsible for their deaths as they deliberately put innocents in harm's way.
Ooops, to you, there probably are no innocent Israeli's, right?
I said both sides should drop it.
It's obvious to anyone willing to look at history that they haven't gotten anywhere and all they've accomplished is killing off each others civilians.
**** happened in the past, they need to acknowledge that but they also need to drop it.
Understand that both sides did wrong, but continuing to do wrong isn't going anywhere.
It's not liberal arrogance, it's the best solution for a never ending war.
Why are we defining other people's government? Where in the Constitution does it say we're the world's police, or that we're to spread democracy? It's not our job to defend everyone, and Israel gets us nothing.
It's a democracy sure, but a democracy in a land completely hostile to it.
It has no influence over anything else there, it can't spread democracy by itself and it being there as a democracy (though I would say more a theocracy) doesn't do anything to encourage democracy amongst the neighbor states. If we want a democracy to defend, it should at least be one with some sway in the area (though I would still say we shouldn't be defending or fighting for others; our military is for us, or equipment is for us, our money is for us, the government wasn't authorized elsewise).
The Arabs and Muslims believe they are winning as Israel continues conceding land that immediately becomes new launching points for terror attacks. They believe that they are winning because western civilization condemns Israel for defending herself.
The Muslims don't believe that they are doing wrong. Remember, it's us that consider them as resistance fighters and militants and thereby legitimze their actions.
I suggest read a bit more news if you are not even aware of it.
I even used your favourite network
FOXNews.com - Iran Bans Homicide Bomber Volunteers, Saying It Will Assist Hamas in Other Ways - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News
Not targeting civilians ... nope, they definetley evacuate ...
The United Nations has accused Israel of evacuating scores of Palestinians into a house in the suburbs of Gaza City, only to shell the property 24 hours later, killing some 30 people.
That is sick.
Evacuate civilians just to kill them later on.
Blame Hamas for the blood on their hands. Score! That makes sense :/
Children are innocent
:roll:
In a word, gutless.
Mocking your pathetic suggestions for even more talking was very effective.
The US has been, fool.
Now, all that Obama is doing is rewarding Hamas for their illegitimate behavior.
Absurd. As if more and more and more and more talking is going to push Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran off of their core principle of destroying Israel.
No, what is childish is your insinuation that their grievance is that they are being ignored.
No, the point I made is a simple one.
Try again.
It would seem so to a terror apologist.
Wrong.
Muslims are guilty of doing wrong things and i'd be the first to admit it.
You however with your blind ignorant loyalty to Israel ignores everything Israel does wrong and blame the other side.
Wrong again.
Europe has always condemned Israel and we all know where US lies regarding Israel so nothing new.
The West will always condemn war and conflict.
1 million British protested against their own government in war, why should Israel be defended by the west?
Perhaps act like a civilized country and you might get somewhere.