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Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

Goobieman said:
how do you propose Israel make Hamas and Hizboolah happy?
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Both groups are fired up by the fact Israel has the upper hand and the injustice of what the Palestinians suffer which is ignored.

Withdrawing back from all occupied territories, lifting the blockade, go back to UN borders ...
 
Laila said:
Both groups are fired up by the fact Israel has the upper hand and the injustice of what the Palestinians suffer which is ignored.

Withdrawing back from all occupied territories, lifting the blockade, go back to UN borders ...
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You have already admitted that Hamas, etc, define ALL of Israel as "occupoed Palestine" and will not stop fighting Israel until ALL of Palestine is liberated.

So, how does doing what you propose solve anything?
 
We don't seem to achieve anything solid when our presidents go to the middle east and run their jaws about peace when our record of peace does not exist. From Jimmy Carter to GWB it does not work. This is not to say do not talk to Hamas as they are not going to vanish unless the Palestinians make that happen. Obama will do things differently and that may be good or bad but I'll say he can't do worse that the clowns that have preceeded him. Why not give it a shot?
 
Goobieman said:
You have already admitted that Hamas, etc, define ALL of Israel as "occupoed Palestine" and will not stop fighting Israel until ALL of Palestine is liberated.

So, how does doing what you propose solve anything?
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They'll have to deal with half and get over it.
I don't see why any Muslim country has to acknowledge Israel, does it make a difference to Israel? No. It can still trade.
I just don't understand this importance of Israel having to be recognized.
 
Laila said:
They'll have to deal with half and get over it.
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Ah... so now YOU'RE the one arguing they need to "get over it".
Anyone see the irony?

I just don't understand this importance of Israel having to be recognized.
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^^^^
This is you trying to misrepresent the problem.

As you have already admitted, the issue is driven by Israel merely and simply existing.
 
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Goobieman said:
Ah... so now YOU'RE the one arguing they need to "get over it".
Ironic.
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I doubt the extreme sides actually truley represent what the mainstream think or want.

As you have already admitted, the problem is driven by Israel merely and simply existing.
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I have? Lmao
Whatever. Israel shouldn't have ever been created on Arab land but they made their bed and now they are lying on it.
If there was any justice

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this would be labelled Israel.
 
Laila said:
I doubt the extreme sides actually truley represent what the mainstream think or want.
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Irelevant. As you have admitted, the conflict is being driven by the mere existence of Israel and the fact that Hamas, etc, will not tolerate that existence.

If there was any justice
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More misdirection.
 
The only way this war ends is with one side obliterating the other.


Talking is not going to work.


How do you negotiate with people who point is they want you dead?
 
Goobieman said:
Irelevant. As you have admitted, the conflict is being driven by the mere existence of Israel and the fact that Hamas, etc
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The conflict is being driven in particular by the actions of both Israel and extremists and the impact it has on the next generation continuing the cycle of hatred.
Israel occupying land is a part of it but the existence of Israel is not THE factor that continues this conflict
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
The only way this war ends is with one side obliterating the other.

Talking is not going to work.

How do you negotiate with people who point is they want you dead?
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I disagree, diplomacy is the only way this conflict will work.
 
Laila said:
The conflict is being driven in particular by the actions of both Israel and extremists and the impact it has on the next generation continuing the cycle of hatred.
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You have already agreed that the mere and simple existence of Israel is the problem.

the existence of Israel is not THE factor that continues this conflict
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It is, according to those that fight Israel.
 
sazerac said:
Yeah, it's been working well so far. :roll:
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Military action has failed.
Arabs have tried it.
Israel has tried it.
Palestinians have tried it and so has Extremists.

Diplomacy is the only way this conflict will be resolved.
 
Even if it won't work, what harm is there in trying it? As the saying goes "You never really know until you give it a try".

Isolation hasn't worked, that much is clear. What harm can there be in simply communicating with Hamas? It's not like it can really get much worse than it already is. Isolating them has been an abysmal failure, to say the least.

And the evidence suggests that communicating HAS lowered rocket attacks. During a few months of the truce, very few rockets were fired comparitively. If anything, that shows that some degree of diplomacy is in order.
 
Goobieman said:
It is, according to those that fight Israel.
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Hamas and Hezbollah do also talk about what i just stated. The illegal building, the starvation/blocking aid
I'll say it again, Israel's existence is not the factor to continue this
 
While I don't think Obama himself should grace Hamas leaders with his presence, I have no problems with him sending his diplomats over there, so long as it is known that the acceptance of Israels right to exist is emphasized as a starting point of negotiations, not the end goal of them. Clinton was close to sealing a deal, but Arafat ultimatley screwed the pooch on that. Prehaps using Clintons prior proposal, Obama can make a few minor adjustments and seal the deal. Obama reminds me of a good business consultant, rather than a CEO.
 
Laila said:
I'll say it again, Israel's existence is not the factor to continue this
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Hamas disagrees. Openly.
As does Hizboolah. Openly.
 
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WI Crippler said:
While I don't think Obama himself should grace Hamas leaders with his presence, I have no problems with him sending his diplomats over there, so long as it is known that the acceptance of Israels right to exist is emphasized as a starting point of negotiations, not the end goal of them. Clinton was close to sealing a deal, but Arafat ultimatley screwed the pooch on that. Prehaps using Clintons prior proposal, Obama can make a few minor adjustments and seal the deal. Obama reminds me of a good business consultant, rather than a CEO.
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Agreed. Absolutely Obama himself should not be the one to do it and the first and foremost consideration is Hamas' recognition of the right for Israel to exist.
 
Tucker Case said:
Even if it won't work, what harm is there in trying it? As the saying goes "You never really know until you give it a try".

Isolation hasn't worked, that much is clear. What harm can there be in simply communicating with Hamas? It's not like it can really get much worse than it already is. Isolating them has been an abysmal failure, to say the least.

And the evidence suggests that communicating HAS lowered rocket attacks. During a few months of the truce, very few rockets were fired comparitively. If anything, that shows that some degree of diplomacy is in order.
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You're thinking that something will work. What has ever given us that idea?

Obama relenting to them just encourages them to keep up this crazy notion that they will one day be free of Jews in the Mid East. Bombing Israel gets them the attention of the American president.
 
Tucker Case said:
Even if it won't work, what harm is there in trying it? As the saying goes "You never really know until you give it a try".

Isolation hasn't worked, that much is clear. What harm can there be in simply communicating with Hamas? It's not like it can really get much worse than it already is. Isolating them has been an abysmal failure, to say the least.

And the evidence suggests that communicating HAS lowered rocket attacks. During a few months of the truce, very few rockets were fired comparitively. If anything, that shows that some degree of diplomacy is in order.
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Personally, I like Laila's solutuion:
Tell the Palestinians to get over it.
 
Tucker Case said:
Agreed. Absolutely Obama himself should not be the one to do it and the first and foremost consideration is Hamas' recognition of the right for Israel to exist.
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And this is the most difficult part of everything. In a perfect world, I would think it possible, but it may not be. I think Israel stands a better chance at negotiating with Fatah, than Hamas. If Hamas continues to balk at the idea of Israels right to exist, I think their removal is a necessity for peace progress to move forward.
 
sazerac said:
You're thinking that something will work. What has ever given us that idea?

Obama relenting to them just encourages them to keep up this crazy notion that they will one day be free of Jews in the Mid East. Bombing Israel gets them the attention of the American president.
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Jews has ALWAYS been in the Middle East and there are minorities within numerous Muslim countries, no one wants to remove ALL jews from ME. Continue bull****ting :roll:
 
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