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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    how do you propose Israel make Hamas and Hizboolah happy?
    Both groups are fired up by the fact Israel has the upper hand and the injustice of what the Palestinians suffer which is ignored.

    Withdrawing back from all occupied territories, lifting the blockade, go back to UN borders ...

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Both groups are fired up by the fact Israel has the upper hand and the injustice of what the Palestinians suffer which is ignored.

    Withdrawing back from all occupied territories, lifting the blockade, go back to UN borders ...
    You have already admitted that Hamas, etc, define ALL of Israel as "occupoed Palestine" and will not stop fighting Israel until ALL of Palestine is liberated.

    So, how does doing what you propose solve anything?

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    We don't seem to achieve anything solid when our presidents go to the middle east and run their jaws about peace when our record of peace does not exist. From Jimmy Carter to GWB it does not work. This is not to say do not talk to Hamas as they are not going to vanish unless the Palestinians make that happen. Obama will do things differently and that may be good or bad but I'll say he can't do worse that the clowns that have preceeded him. Why not give it a shot?
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You have already admitted that Hamas, etc, define ALL of Israel as "occupoed Palestine" and will not stop fighting Israel until ALL of Palestine is liberated.

    So, how does doing what you propose solve anything?
    They'll have to deal with half and get over it.
    I don't see why any Muslim country has to acknowledge Israel, does it make a difference to Israel? No. It can still trade.
    I just don't understand this importance of Israel having to be recognized.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    They'll have to deal with half and get over it.
    Ah... so now YOU'RE the one arguing they need to "get over it".
    Anyone see the irony?

    I just don't understand this importance of Israel having to be recognized.
    ^^^^
    This is you trying to misrepresent the problem.

    As you have already admitted, the issue is driven by Israel merely and simply existing.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 01-09-09 at 11:25 AM.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Ah... so now YOU'RE the one arguing they need to "get over it".
    Ironic.
    I doubt the extreme sides actually truley represent what the mainstream think or want.

    As you have already admitted, the problem is driven by Israel merely and simply existing.
    I have? Lmao
    Whatever. Israel shouldn't have ever been created on Arab land but they made their bed and now they are lying on it.
    If there was any justice



    this would be labelled Israel.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I doubt the extreme sides actually truley represent what the mainstream think or want.
    Irelevant. As you have admitted, the conflict is being driven by the mere existence of Israel and the fact that Hamas, etc, will not tolerate that existence.

    If there was any justice
    More misdirection.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    The only way this war ends is with one side obliterating the other.


    Talking is not going to work.


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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Irelevant. As you have admitted, the conflict is being driven by the mere existence of Israel and the fact that Hamas, etc
    The conflict is being driven in particular by the actions of both Israel and extremists and the impact it has on the next generation continuing the cycle of hatred.
    Israel occupying land is a part of it but the existence of Israel is not THE factor that continues this conflict

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The only way this war ends is with one side obliterating the other.

    Talking is not going to work.

    How do you negotiate with people who point is they want you dead?
    I disagree, diplomacy is the only way this conflict will work.

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