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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Here it comes again ....
    Israelis are the poor victims to Palestinian/Muslim agression. Please.
    Given that the entire conflict is driven by the fact that Hamas and Hezbollah refuse to recognize Israel;s right to exist and have vowed to not stop fighting until Israel is destroyed, I'm not sure how you can describe the situation as as product of anything BUT Palestinian agression.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Here it comes again ....
    Israelis are the poor victims to Palestinian/Muslim agression. Please.

    Muslim hatred indeed.
    If it was Christians who created a country by forcing out the Arabs, your damn right they'd be getting it just as bad.
    If however, they created a state in a land that wasn't surrounded by Muslim nations and didn't force out the indigenous population. Then it would not be a problem.
    Here's the problem with people like you. You can't get over the fact Israel was created. You harp on this, and legitimize the violence. Fine, the way Israel came into being wasn't the best method around, and caused lots of problems we get it.

    But let's face facts here, Israel is a fact of life. It's not GOING anywhere.

    The sooner the "original problem" is accepted as reality, the sooner progress can be made. Instead of spending countless lives on a an impossible goal, the sooner there will be peace.

    But that's just it, people like you believe that accepting that reality is unjust, guess what, that implies the other alternative, the destruction of Israel. Either we destroy Israel, the region accepts Israel and works with that reality for peace, or Israel kicks the ever living **** out of them until they stop attacking her.

    That's the three choices.

    One is a second holocaust, one is a perhaps not the most just answer ALL things considered, but is the most beneficial AND least lethal way to go, and one has periodic wars and conflict till the end of days.

    I'm all for option 2, but I'd rather option 3 then option 1 any day of the week.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Here it comes again ....
    Israelis are the poor victims to Palestinian/Muslim agression. Please.

    Muslim hatred indeed.
    If it was Christians who created a country by forcing out the Arabs, your damn right they'd be getting it just as bad.
    If however, they created a state in a land that wasn't surrounded by Muslim nations and didn't force out the indigenous population. Then it would not be a problem.
    Oh, boo hoo. It's well time to accept that you are not strong enough to keep out other's who want the same land.

    Life is not fair. Survival of the fittest. Get over it. Move on. You LOST!

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Blaming everything on one side is incorrect. Israel is not the innocent victim

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    You LOST!
    I lost? How have i lost anything?

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Blaming everything on one side is incorrect. Israel is not the innocent victim
    Yes...
    Israel is 'not innocent' because she has the audacity to believe she has the right to exist.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Here's the problem with people like you. You can't get over the fact Israel was created. You harp on this, and legitimize the violence. Fine, the way Israel came into being wasn't the best method around, and caused lots of problems we get it.
    I can't get over the fact Israel exist?
    Wow, Go look back on my posts before making incorrect and stupid statements

    Oh and Jews have controlled Jerusalem and that land for how long? 60 years? Yes, so long.
    Muslims has had it for centuries. You never know what will happen in the future.

    But that's just it, people like you believe that accepting that reality is unjust, guess what, that implies the other alternative, the destruction of Israel. Either we destroy Israel, the region accepts Israel and works with that reality for peace, or Israel kicks the ever living **** out of them until they stop attacking her.
    I'd much rather Israel is forced to withdraw to the original borders, forced to give up its Nukes, forced to relinquish control of Jerusalem and forced to give back occupied territory.
    But hey, we can't all get what we want now can we?

    One is a second holocaust, one is a perhaps not the most just answer ALL things considered, but is the most beneficial AND least lethal way to go, and one has periodic wars and conflict till the end of days.
    A holocaust of Palestinians?
    If Israel even tried to do a Nazi on Arabs, i'd advocate Nukes.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes...
    Israel is 'not innocent' because she has the audacity to believe she has the right to exist.
    Israel is not innocent in any conflict
    It has provoked, it has shed blood and it has its fair share of crazies.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I lost? How have i lost anything?
    You're a Palestinian sympathizer which makes you a major part of the problem. You are the one keeping alive the hope of taking back Israel for the Palestinians. You are just as responsible for the fighting as any government leader.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    You are the one keeping alive the hope of taking back Palestine for the Palestinians.
    Fixed

    And they will get the land back, we can play the waiting game

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