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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'm not saying they should choose to not stop the attacks. I'm saying they should try to stop them in a different manner.

    If it were me, and I were an Israeli, I would applaud my government for trying to use a ground attacks instead of bombing a school.
    But, that's not what I asked you.

    See, if you insist that the Israelis react to these attacks only with ground troops, there will be little, if any, response to said attacks, as groudn troops simply cannot react fast enough.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Don't get me wrong, I do think Israel does a lot to minimize civilian casualties.

    It's just in this particular instance I think they could have done more than what they did.

    In no way does that mean I'm attempting to absolve Hamas of their wrongdoing in this case. They are the "most" wrong of any group for beign anywhere near a school while engaging in military activities.
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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Barack Obama administration 'prepared to talk to Hamas' | World news | guardian.co.uk

    Yeah, look at that, Obama wanting to reverse the decision to isolate Hamas. Just freaking brilliant. I'm sure the Israelis just feel all kinds of safe with this genius coming to the WH. He starts this crap up and the first notion they have Iran is gonna get a Bomb out they'll attack, cause were I them, I sure as **** wouldn't put my trust in Obama.
    After decades of Hamas attacking Israel with suicide bombs and rockets, and Israel responding with arrests/assassinations/bombs/occupations, Hamas still exists and still poses a threat.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    They haven't "what"? Killed civilians? I think that the evidence suggests otherwise.
    They haven't intentionally targeted civilians, nor have they taken actions designed to make civilian casualties higher. In fact, on both counts, it is the opposite. It is HAMAS who turned a school into a military target; it is they who commit the war crime.

    If your definition of improper conduct in war is to kill any civilian at any time, you don't have a "higher" standard; you have a preposterously impossible one.


    I never did that though.
    It is the implication of what you say.
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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    They haven't intentionally targeted civilians, nor have they taken actions designed to make civilian casualties higher. In fact, on both counts, it is the opposite. It is HAMAS who turned a school into a military target; it is they who commit the war crime.
    I've said the bolded part already in at least two or three posts. I think in turn, bombing the school to oblivion, instead of using ground troops, in response to a minimal threat (there is very little threat form Hamas' mortar attacks in general, as displayed by the extremely small casualty numbers relative to the number of mortars fired) is an exacerbation of that heinous act by Hamas.

    If your definition of improper conduct in war is to kill any civilian at any time, you don't have a "higher" standard; you have a preposterously impossible one.
    My definition of improper conduct is killing civilians when an alternative to bombing a school is available. To me, using a weapon knowing it is highly likely to kill civilians because it will destroy a school instead of choosing a less appealing ground method in that specific case considerign the minimal threat posed by the mortars is improper. This standard is a quite possible standard to achieve.


    It is the implication of what you say.
    That is your misinterpretation of what I say, but it is because you are generalizing whta I have said to include all situations, instead of simply applying it to the specific discussed situation.

    I stand by my belief that bombing a school instead of using ground forces to neutralize the threat is improper. There is never sufficient justification for bombing a school, no matter how heinous the opponent is in their cowardly attempts to use that school to protect themselves.

    I'm not saying a response wasn't warranted, I'm saying the specific response used was improper.
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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    There is never sufficient justification for bombing a school, no matter how heinous the opponent is in their cowardly attempts to use that school to protect themselves.
    Really? Then if a country puts a long-range missile silo in a school deep inside its territory, and uses it to attack us hundreds of miles away, and we're able to bomb it, we're required to mount an invasion over hundreds of miles and taking weeks (at least) to do, instead of just bombing the silo and ending the threat right away?

    Again, a preposterous, suicidal standard, but one our enemies would love us to have.
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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Really? Then if a country puts a long-range missile silo in a school deep inside its territory, and uses it to attack us hundreds of miles away, and we're able to bomb it, we're required to mount an invasion over hundreds of miles and taking weeks (at least) to do, instead of just bombing the silo and ending the threat right away?

    Again, a preposterous, suicidal standard, but one our enemies would love us to have.
    Was there a missle silo at this school? Or are you creating a strawman argument?
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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Was there a missle silo at this school? Or are you creating a strawman argument?
    No. I'm taking you at the face value of your own words.

    There is never sufficient justification for bombing a school, no matter how heinous the opponent is in their cowardly attempts to use that school to protect themselves.
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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No. I'm taking you at the face value of your own words.
    Has there ever been a missle silo in a school to your knowledge?
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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Has there ever been a missle silo in a school to your knowledge?
    It's a hypothetical. And absolutely not a far-fetched one. According to your stated principle -- that it's never justified -- in that situation, we'd have to mount a ground invasion. (Never mind how many more civilians that may kill along the way, right?)
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