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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    False.

    Holding someone to a higher standard is expecting them not to engage in the behavior you find INexcusable from someone else.

    If I find it inexcusable for Hamas to kill civilians, I find it EQUALLY inexcusable for Israel to do so.

    I do not want the US to ally with Hamas specifically BECAUSE of their inexcusable behavior. Thus, I ALSO want my ally to not engage in the same INexcuxsable behavior.
    Well, first of all, they haven't. The reason they haven't has already been made clear.

    But when it comes to the point where you condemn one for it, and simply say "that's way it is" for the others, then yeah, you're making improper distinctions.
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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    It COULD be... but counterbattery fire requires quick action, as artillery uniots (like mortars manned by terrorist) fire off a few rounds and then run to avoid retalliation.

    In an instance like this, the only efficite response is artillery or airstrikes.
    The risk is not all that high, especially when one considers the body counts.
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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    No, I didn't say they were using smart bombs to attack schools, liar.
    Liar.

    "Your ignorance has no bounds. Israel is using smart weapons."

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/newrep...y&p=1057878005

    I said, as part of the broader point that israel attempts to mitigate civilian casualties, that Israel uses smart weapons.
    I see, when you wrote "Your ignorance has no bounds. Israel is using smart weapons," in response to a post about targeting civilians and schools, the ignorance of no bounds about Israel using smart weapons wasn't about *this* thread.

    OK, thanks for clarifying. Now, your story is that in attacking the school, Israel didn't use smart weapons to mitigate civilian casualties. Got it.

    Now, care to address that point or do you insist on deliberately misrepresenting my comments?
    You're doing that fine yourself.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Repeat yourself, much?

    Nope. Only when necessary.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    False.

    Holding someone to a higher standard is expecting them not to engage in the behavior you find INexcusable from someone else.
    A second time:

    On what basis do you draw an equivalnecy between using tactics and weapons that reduce civilian casualties and tactics and weapons that deliberately intend to maximize civilian casualties?

    Well?

    If I find it inexcusable for Hamas to kill civilians, I find it EQUALLY inexcusable for Israel to do so.
    So there's no difference then between deliberately killing civilians and trying to mitigate civilians being killed when the enemy is deliberating putting those civilians at risk?

    Do you have no moral compass? Or are you just a moral coward?

    I do not want the US to ally with Hamas specifically BECAUSE of their inexcusable behavior. Thus, I ALSO want my ally to not engage in the same INexcuxsable behavior.
    I see...so using tactics and weapons to mitigate harm to civilians is exactly the same as taking deliberate action not only to maximize civilian casualties but put them at risk?

    Are you serious?

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Well, first of all, they haven't. The reason they haven't has already been made clear.
    They haven't "what"? Killed civilians? I think that the evidence suggests otherwise.

    But when it comes to the point where you condemn one for it, and simply say "that's way it is" for the others, then yeah, you're making improper distinctions.
    I never did that though.
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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The risk is not all that high, especially when one considers the body counts.
    Its not about risk, its about efficacy. You cannot react quickly enough with a ground team to get the mortars before they move.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Originally Posted by Iriemon
    After the attack, the Israeli military said an initial inquiry had shown that several mortar shells had been fired at Israeli forces "from within the Jabaliya school" and that Israeli forces had returned fire.

    I agree that sounds like a bald faced lie.
    It was an initial report?

    I guess that another standard for Israel is that they have perfect information before defending herself.

    Idiotic.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for illustrating us it is idiotic to trust initial reports of the Israeli army.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Or are you just a moral coward?
    I see no point in trying to discuss this with you anymore. You have continually resorted to little more than ad hom and insults.
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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Its not about risk, its about efficacy. You cannot react quickly enough with a ground team to get the mortars before they move.
    But the mortars are very, very likely to be inneffective. Whereas the smart bomb is going to be quite effective. If the target in question also happens to be a school, I think that ground forces are the answer.

    If the target in question is an different building, not as much. I'm not denouncing Israel for the sake of denouncing Israel. I'm denouncing a specific action to a minimal threat.
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