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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Why do you insist in arguing, explicitly or implicitly, that the Israeli's intentionally blow up schools?

    A higher standard?

    Your higher standard would leave Israel defenseless and totally unwilling to defend herself.

    Pathetic.
    Aren't smart bombs pretty accurate?

    Where is the report from the IDF asserting that the school was hit be mistake.

    There initial claim, not admitted to be a false according to the UN report, was that they targeted the school because morter fire was coming from the school. And, according to you, using smart bombs.

    Doesn't sound like an accident to me.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon View Post
    If the mortars were not in the school, how was shooting at the school targeting the mortars?
    Israel was not shooting at the school.

    You are aware that some nations can triangulate mortar, artillery, and rocket fire and determine the firing location, right?

    Why do you insist that they were shooting at the school rather than the location on or next to the school grounds where Israel had detected mortar fire coming from?

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    A bald-faced lie.
    The mortars were outside, not inside the school.
    After the attack, the Israeli military said an initial inquiry had shown that several mortar shells had been fired at Israeli forces "from within the Jabaliya school" and that Israeli forces had returned fire.

    I agree that sounds like a bald faced lie.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Who is saying "allowed"? Where did I say that?

    I'm saying I hold my friends to a higher standard than I do my enemies. I EXPECT those I consider enemies to do attrocious things, hence they are the ENEMY. I in turn expect my FRIENDS to not sink to the level of the ENEMY.

    What is difficult to understand about this?
    So...
    If the US army comes up against an enemy that does nothing but puts troops, weapons, ammunition, supplies and ordnance in schools, churches and hospitals, the US army can never engage those troops?



    The relevant standard here is that doing any of those removes the 'restrictions' on deliberately putting fire down on thoise structures.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon View Post
    So Israel used smart bombs to attack a school when mortar fire came from outside the school.
    Did they?

    That makes it sound like it was no accident to deliberately target a school.
    I'd agree if that were the case. It wasn't.

    Cite that Israel warned the school to evacuate before shooting at it with smart bombs?
    Who argued they had?

    Care to actually address points I made?

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon View Post
    After the attack, the Israeli military said an initial inquiry had shown that several mortar shells had been fired at Israeli forces "from within the Jabaliya school" and that Israeli forces had returned fire.

    I agree that sounds like a bald faced lie.

    It was an initial report?

    I guess that another standard for Israel is that they have perfect information before defending herself.

    Idiotic.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Who is saying "allowed"? Where did I say that?

    I'm saying I hold my friends to a higher standard than I do my enemies. I EXPECT those I consider enemies to do attrocious things, hence they are the ENEMY. I in turn expect my FRIENDS to not sink to the level of the ENEMY.

    What is difficult to understand about this?

    I'm not saying Israel has no right to defend itself, I'm saying that we should hold them to a higher standard than that which we condemn our enemies for.
    "How dare you do that?!! I know THEY are, too, but that's just the way THEY are."

    What's not to understand? "Holding someone to a higher standard" means you expect behavior from them that you find excusable in someone else.
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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Israel was not shooting at the school.

    You are aware that some nations can triangulate mortar, artillery, and rocket fire and determine the firing location, right?

    Why do you insist that they were shooting at the school rather than the location on or next to the school grounds where Israel had detected mortar fire coming from?
    Aren't smart bombs pretty accurate?

    Where is the report from the IDF asserting that the school was hit be mistake?

    There initial claim, now admitted to be a false according to the UN report, was that they targeted the school because morter fire was coming from the school. And, according to you, using smart bombs.

    Doesn't sound like an accident to me.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Israel was not shooting at the school.
    Correct. Israel engaged the mortars positioned outside the school.
    In the process, the school was hit.

    Why do you insist that they were shooting at the school rather than the location on or next to the school grounds where Israel had detected mortar fire coming from?
    Because the desire to criticize Israel at all costs generally requires misrepresenting the truth.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon View Post
    Aren't smart bombs pretty accurate?

    Where is the report from the IDF asserting that the school was hit be mistake.

    There initial claim, not admitted to be a false according to the UN report, was that they targeted the school because morter fire was coming from the school. And, according to you, using smart bombs.

    Doesn't sound like an accident to me.
    No, I didn't say they were using smart bombs to attack schools, liar.

    I said, as part of the broader point that israel attempts to mitigate civilian casualties, that Israel uses smart weapons.

    Now, care to address that point or do you insist on deliberately misrepresenting my comments?

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