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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Wow. How dishonest of you.
    Erm, are you saying that is a lie?
    Has Israel targeted schools? Yes.
    Has Israel fired into a area that is populated? Yes.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I have no pals that are terrorists, i don't think we'd get along.

    Hamas does do that but Israel in the last week or so has targeted schools, mosques and densely populated neighbours.
    Of course Israel has. That's where Hamas congregates, fights from, stocks weapons, and launches rockets from.

    Your argument would, of course, say that Israel cannot defend herself because their enemies are using women and children as shields.

    Sorry, but no nation is obligated to enter into such a suicide pact.

    Notice, not a single breath of criticism towards Hamas for deliberately putting Palestinian women and children in harm's way. Not surprising.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Erm, are you saying that is a lie?
    Has Israel targeted schools? Yes.
    Has Israel fired into a area that is populated? Yes.
    Your implication is that because Israel is fighting her enemy where they deliberately set up shop that their actions are equivalent to the specified intent to kill as many Jew civilians as possible.

    Sickening.

    This is the problem with multiculturalism...it requires gross moral equivalencies.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Uh, elections don't make democracy.
    Righttt ...

    No? Then why are you justifying Hamas's behavior by commenting that the Jews settled themselves in a region populated by Arabs? That comment alone inherently means that Israel's decision to settle there is the root cause of the terror she is subjected to.
    You don't think so? Really?
    There was always going to be resistence to that
    I don't justify Hamas or Israel's behaviour.
    I personally think Israel/Palestine/that strip of land should be given back to UK if both sides cannot quit the whining and bitching and Israelis be relocated to US and Palestinians Jordan

    I see, so now you say that the Arabs and Muslims stated purpose is not to annihilate the Jews?
    No one wants to wipe out Jews.
    I know of no Muslim who wants to annihilate Jews.

    Doesn't address my point which is what Islam has rendered its adherents to....poverty, despair, and terrorism. It's not like it's been Christianity, capitalism, or democracy that has left Arab states is such dysfunction and as sponsors of holy war...errr...terrorism.
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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    This is the problem with multiculturalism...it requires gross moral equivalencies.
    Multiculturalism? Okay ..

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Erm, are you saying that is a lie?
    Has Israel targeted schools? Yes.
    Has Israel fired into a area that is populated? Yes.
    Yes. You lied. Bald-faced.

    Hamas was hiding in the schools, mosques and populated neighborhoods.
    Israel targeted Hamas, not the schools, etc.

    You know this, you simply cannot bring yourself to admit it.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Notice, not a single breath of criticism towards Hamas for deliberately putting Palestinian women and children in harm's way. Not surprising.
    I beg to differ, Egypt condemned and so did other Arab countries.
    And if you meant me not criticising Hamas, i suggest re reading some of my posts.

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Hamas was hiding in the schools, mosques and populated neighborhoods.
    Israel targeted Hamas, not the schools, etc.

    You know this, you simply cannot bring yourself to admit it.
    Israelis admit militants not in UN school | World news | The Guardian

    Where is your condemnation on civilian deaths?
    Or is it only reserved for when Israelis die?

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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by JMak View Post
    Your backpedaling equivocation.
    What was backpedaling about it? I said "maybe" in the original post, as in "perhaps", or "hypothetically". I was sticking with the "You never know until you try" theme I had created. I don't KNOW that this would be effective, so I cannot lay any claim to anything concrete.

    I never claimed that it was the reason behind Hamas, just that it was hypothetically possible that it could be. I see no equivocation, as I have used the definition the same in all cases.

    You're still responding to it.
    So if it elicits a repsonse about how ineffective it is, that makes it effective?



    Sorry, but Hamas has been isolated. You don't see the regions government's coming to their aid as they have in the past. In fact, it's nearly clear that the regional governments desire Fatah's return.
    Hamas gained power while they are being "isolated". Gaza has been isolated, but Hamas is stronger now than they were before.

    I agree that Fatah is by far and away a better option that Hamas because Fatah is not a bunch of scumbags who hide behind chidlren, but while Hamas has power, they should be dealt with as though they have the power.

    It rewards them. It legitimizes their behavior. But, of course, to someone like you, there's no difference in standing between the US and, say, a lesser power who would be used as back-channel diplomatic source. Instead, hey, the US is just another nation and speaking directly to the terrorists doesn't at all legitimize Hamas's behavior.
    I don't think the US talking to them legitimizes their behavior, it legitimizes the Palestianian GRIEVANCES. Many of theose grievances are legit. Hamas is a bunch of scumbags who hide behind children, but they got "legitimized" by a popular vote done while the US was "isolating" them.

    I think an about face on the issue is necessary to prevent them form gaining further power.

    I don't have any.

    It's the insanity that must underscore the thinking that more, more, more, more, unending talking will result in any alternative result.

    But they have been talked to.
    I'm talking specifically about the US talking to Hamas. That hasn't been done.


    The clear point was that one side wants to destroy the other. This is explicitly been acknowledged by that one side.
    And I'm saying that we should at least try to talk themout of this stance. I don;t think bombing them out of it is possible. It only fuels them to become worse, IMO.



    No, your comments regarding the terrorists reveal your apologism, not my mere disagreement with you.
    Can you please illustrate the specific apologies I've made?
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    Re: Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Where is your condemnation on civilian deaths?
    Or is it only reserved for when Israelis die?

    The mortar fire came from outside the school rather than inside.

    Either way, the TARGET if the Israeli fire was the Hamas mortars.

    Hamas put the mortars outside the school so that people like you would have yet another thin excuse to equivocate Israeli actions with those of Hamas.

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