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    Re: Abstinence Pledges Ineffective....OH wait....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post

    I can't even begin to comprehend how you made that logical leap. Please explain.
    You have to go back to the original article, thread on it, and comments.

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I would love to see the Obama Administration STOP funding the abstinence program. It doesn't work. Let's make this about teaching children about sexually transmitted diseases and preventing pregnancy.
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    According to the article:

    The findings are reigniting the debate about the effectiveness of abstinence-focused sexual education just as Congress and the new Obama administration are about to reconsider the more than $176 million in annual funding for such programs.

    So our federal tax dollars are going towards this worthless program.
    And a whole thread laden with references about how we should eliminate abstinence only education programs. Now we find that in fact the study wasn't "from a large federal survey" but from 934 teenagers selectively plucked from that survey. When they start picking and choosing who they are going to use in the survey and who they will not use it's easy to skew the results the way you want the outcome. Like for example the exclusion of all the people that had pledged but gotten married.

    The white elephant in the corner that makes me say they have been "duped" is this;
    We don't know (for sure) what kind of sex education these teenagers were receiving. It's not stated in the article. Unless they were receiving abstinence only education it's no basis for eliminating the program as was widely lauded based on the original article.

    one last tidbit.
    The original study took information from students in 1995, 1996, and 2001.
    Federal AO programs didn't get signed into law until 1996.
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    Re: Abstinence Pledges Ineffective....OH wait....

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Such a DISHONEST comment. which state has the highest teen abortion rate.


    (I know it's freeper but the original link is now "dead" so if you can refute this, or bolster it, by all means.)
    New Jersey, NJ, surpasses all states in teenage abortion rate

    Top Ten States with Highest Teenage Abortion Rates
    What does abortion have to do with pregnancy rate? If someone gets an abortion they were still pregnant
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    Re: Abstinence Pledges Ineffective....OH wait....

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    News Headlines - New report re-uses old data to target abstinence pledges : Townhall.com



    It seems the study compared a group of religious teens that took the pledge to religious teens that didn't. Religious teens from religious families have been found to have less premarital sex than other teens.

    To the ones using this study to justify Sex ed training in schools...You've been duped.
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    This isn't the stupidest thing I have ever read, but damn, it is very stupid.
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    Re: Abstinence Pledges Ineffective....OH wait....

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    What does abortion have to do with pregnancy rate? If someone gets an abortion they were still pregnant
    you know, when I was in school in the midwest I saw a lot more teen pregnancies than I'm used to seeing in california, and high schools had daycares and things which I thought was weird. but another thing I noticed was that many people got married REALLY young just for the heck of it, and so those teen mothers at least shouldn't really count, seeing as how they did it on purpose or at least were in a situation where they could deal with it.

    I'm guessing he mentioned the abortion rate to show that not all teen pregnancies are unwanted. I think the abortion rate, while it is also skewed because of the availability and social acceptance of abortion differing between areas, can give some indication of which teens want babies or are in a position to handle an unexpected pregnancy, versus which teens aren't able to handle the added financial/emotional burden. higher abortion rates in an area could indicate that teen pregnancy is more of a problem that needs addressing in that area. I guess what I'm driving at is that the specific cases of teen pregnancy I saw in the midwest that weren't planned just meant that the whole extended family was going to help out. maybe in urban areas, which tend to go blue, that supportive infrastructure isn't there so teen pregnancy is a more urgent issue.

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    Re: Abstinence Pledges Ineffective....OH wait....

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, it's because.. GASP! Conservatives would rather a baby born then a baby killed.
    Then you should support sex education and contraception instead of demonizing it, so that there are fewer abortions. But like most conservatives, you're only against abortion when it's politically convenient and you aren't caught offguard.

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    Re: New report re-uses old data to target abstinence pledges {EDIT}

    Why are we ignoring all the studies that say abstinence education does work? That abstinence pledges do work?

    Why are we ignoring the success of abstinence education programs in Africa fighting the spread of AIDS?

    The idea that teaching your children to abstain from sex till they are married would somehow make them more likely to have sex before marriage is loony. The teens not having premarital sex are the ones who were taught to wait till they are married. They are also the ones with no STDs.

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    Re: New report re-uses old data to target abstinence pledges {EDIT}

    This study only shows that abstinence pledges don't work, not that abstinence only education doesn't work.

    As to the notion that comparing all those who didn't take the pledge to those who did would be of greater informative value than breaking them down by demographic and then comparing... well, I'll just say I'd feel better informed by the latter. I'd want to see what kind of difference the pledge makes, and that would be impossible to determine from comparing apples(religious kids) and oranges(non-religious kids).

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    Re: Abstinence Pledges Ineffective....OH wait....

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    How do we know they were telling the truth?
    How do we know the teens who voted for having sex are telling the truth?

    The machismo mentality still exists, especially among teen males. They will falsely admit that Rosie Odonnel is hot, before they'd admit to being a virgin. Lies and truth could go both ways, even though the motivations are different.

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    Re: Abstinence Pledges Ineffective....OH wait....

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    How do we know the teens who voted for having sex are telling the truth?

    The machismo mentality still exists, especially among teen males. They will falsely admit that Rosie Odonnel is hot, before they'd admit to being a virgin. Lies and truth could go both ways, even though the motivations are different.
    I could see kids could be intimidated by authoritarian oaths and would be afraid of repurcussions if the polling wasn't private or anonymous.

    I laugh when they think they can gauge teen drug use. Do they poll these kids in between sessions of walking the drug dog down the hallway?
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    Re: Abstinence Pledges Ineffective....OH wait....

    You know, I would like to know exactly what we are arguing here. Abstinence pledges, or abstinence-only education? Because these are completely different ideas(sort of like abiogenesis and evolution, lawl). I attended abstinence education in Texas and, there were none of these "pledges" anywhere. The first time I ever heard of "abstinence pledges" was on that one episode on CSI.

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